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    hi all i have just been to have my cars wheels aligned but unfortunately they could not do it because the track rod that goes into the steering rack is seized as anyone any ideas how to loosen it or any personal expieriance of this problem any advice would be very welcome
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    Spray Plus gas penetrating oil and use a hot air gun gently ByzanA4 would know seen the genius at work makes it look easy
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    If i was in a garage i'd just fire up the oxy-acetylene torch.
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    i am starting to get a bit confused now thinking about what the guy said at the alignment place he said and i qoute its seized at the steering rack end but surely the steering rack end is a ball and cup set up ie moves up and down with the suspension and is not held rigid its just a loose ball and socket so how could this end seize do you think hes talking about the trackrod end or am i completely wrong in my thinking
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    ^^^Seized track rod end - as in seized adjuster threads.

    As for heating, it's not wise heating suspension components, these are components your life could depend on. If they're seized, buy new ones and replace.

    Besides, the B5 / C5 track rod ends are not a continious solid piece - the ball joint end has a built in rubber damper, that seperates it from the actual adjuster section. Heating the adjuster will harden and destroy this damper.
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    thanks for the reply am i right in thinking the guy was confused and what he means is the track rod end oposite to the rack end the ball joint end
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    Sienna, how tricky is it to replace the arm from the rack?
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    It's not difficult at all - just remove the wheel, undo the lock nut, and unscrew the track rod end with a pair of stilsons.
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    hi all is it possible to adjust the track rod at the rack end because the nut that holds the rod in the rack is torqued to 65 nm so i dont see where the opportunity is to adjust anything at the rack end i always thought the adjustment was at one end only that being the balljoint end . i have bought 2 new track rod ends but the guy tells me its seized in the rack i am very confused
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    the "rack end" has a balljoint, which allows the track rod to turn. its then screwed into or out of the track rod end, then nipped up with a lock nut.

    Siena: i think he means the track rod, not the track rod end.
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    hi yes the guy is saying that the rack end balljoint is seized i just dont understand how a steel ball in a greased nylon cup that is constantly moving every time your suspension goes up and down can possibly seize forget the track rod end its the other end the ball and cup that he says the problem is with
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    The rack does have the cup and ball behind the seals, this exits into a female thread. You then screw the rod into that and the TRE onto the other end of the rod.

    It is very common for the rod to sieze into the rack, i have found warming the end up with a hot air gun or similar so as not to cause damage and some hefty aplications of plus gas followed by some brute force has yet to fail me.

    It's not like i heat it to cherry red,lol
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    thanks for the reply i appreciate that the thread could seize into the rack but the guy is telling me its the ball and socket thats seized he as never tried to remove the inner track rod from the rack he tells me the rod will not turn so basicaly he is saying the rod is seized in the ball and socket i find this hard to believe he also tells me he got slight movement at the track rod end balljoint when i told him that the threaded part of the outer ball joint is sat in a rubber bush within the knuckle he seemed surprised personally i think its seized in the outer balljoint but because he as seen slight movement here he is assuming that it is not seized but in effect the movement he as seen is the rubber bush in the outer balljoint twisting
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    Have you looked yourself? As if the ball on the inner was siezed your suspension wouldn't move? I think he is not familiar with the setup TBH and is attempting to flannel you a bit
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    my thoughts exactly i have bought 2 new track rod ends which i am going to fit tomorrow basicaly because the cars done 113000 miles and i have no receipt for them having been done in the past so i will see whats what thanks for your help
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    http://images.andale.com/f2/129/124/1354644/1111540158887_AUDI_TIE_ROD_PAIR.jpg

    I only see one threaded section on that picture, which is where the "tie rod end" goes into the "tie rod" the othe end of the tie rod just appears to have the balljoint section, which screws into the end of the rack?

    To adjust it with the TRE fitted to the hub, you would rotate the tie rod section on the balljoint to pull the thread in and out.
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    thats exactly what i am saying there is only one place to adjust and thats at the outer end i dont think i can trust this guy to align my car if he does not even know this i will look for somewhere else
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    ok i have done my track rod ends and as i thought there is NO adjustment possible at the end that screws into the steering rack all adjustments are done at the tre ball joint there are 2 you can adjust the length in the normal way on the track rod arm and also the height of the ball joint in the steering hub hence the reason for the elongated recess once you have the height set you then tighten the pinch bolt thankfully they was not badly seized although they did need chaging the threaded adjuster bar is encased in a rubber bush within the tre so if you are not aware of this i can see how people get confused because the adjuster bar appears to be turning but its not it only twisting the rubber bush this presents another problem because you can not apply full torque on the adjuster nut until you have taken up all the twist in the bush
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