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    Afternoon all,

    Still doing my research into whether on not I should swap my Corrado for an S4. Need to find some more cash for that matter.

    However, can one of you S4 owners have a look in your Owners manuals and tell me what Audi reckon the S4 should do to the gallon.

    EC urban / combined / extra urban sort of thing.

    I know what the combined figure for my Corrado is, and how my average compares. So, I guess my average with an S4 would be the same in relation to its combined figure.

    Lots has been posted about fuel consumption but as this depends so much on:

    Health of car
    Type of journeys
    Modifications
    Driving style

    Although it has been of interest it has been of little value.

    Cheers

    Duncan
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    Not sure but maybe your find it amongst this lot.

    S4 info
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    If you are worried about fuel consumption, don't buy an S4, its as simple as that !
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    [ QUOTE ]
    If you are worried about fuel consumption, don't buy an S4, its as simple as that !

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    I was sat here thinking that, i am glad it wasnt just me,lol

    If i can get my NA 1.8 down to 20MPG what do you think an S4 would be like,lol
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    rubbish the v8 s4 is pretty frugal. Better economy than my 3.2 v6 a3!
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    I guess we aren't talking about a V8 S4 though?

    The 2.7T is not very frugal in my opinion although it does depend on how you drive
    it and the conditions you drive in. I do about 6k miles a year, mostly a 15mile round trip
    to work and back and I am lucky to see 20mpg average. If you drive in a spirited fashion
    you will be lucky to see 15mpg. The instantaneous mpg is in the low single digits with the
    throttle planted. Having said that, it's a great motorway cruiser because of the sixth gear
    and the available torque. I managed to do 130 miles in 1 1/2 hours last year at 25mpg.
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    [ QUOTE ]
    Not sure but maybe your find it amongst this lot.

    S4 info

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    Wow - a fantastic amount of info there!

    Can't find any official Audi figures there.

    Can anyone look in their handbook or does anyone have an original Audi brochure from when the car was new?
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    If you need to worry about fuel costs you shouldnt buy an S4.

    get a 1.9 tdi quattro = 50mpg on a run, 45mpg short stop start stuff
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    Thanks for all of the replies. Some constructive (docurley), some not!

    I refer you back to what I quoted in my first post:

    "Lots has been posted about fuel consumption but as this depends so much on:

    Health of car
    Type of journeys
    Modifications
    Driving style

    Although it has been of interest it has been of little value."

    As to the last post about having to worry about fuel consumption - I only have to worry about it if it really is as low as 18mpg as opposed to 27 MPG - at 18000 miles per year thats £1400 per year at 90p per litre. Its the difference between getting one and not getting one.

    With MY Corrado, the condition of MY car, with the modifications on MY car, MY type of journeys and MY driving style my long term average is just better than the euro combined figure for a VR6 Corrado. (My driving is mostly very grown up with blasts here and there when I fancy it)Therefore I reckon that I should also be able to manage to average the euro combined figure for an S4. (2.7T)


    That's all I want to know. I don't care how low you can get it when driving like a tit - my 205GTI could only manage 11mpg on track, I'm not worried how good it is when going down hill with Granny in the back.

    Sorry to rant but I sometimes find the internet a bit frustrating!

    So, can anyone look in their owners manual and tell me what this is?



    Please.
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    Ok then, sorry i posted a non helpful post, i thought posting something to acknowledge i had read it was better than nothing at all.

    Ok what kind of age S4 are you looking at?? i can find fugures fir all sorts, just need the age to pin it down

    EG
    Engines: 2.7 liter V6 DOHC
    Horsepower: 250hp @ 5800RPM
    Torque: 258lb-ft. @ 1850RPM
    Transmissions: 5-Speed Automatic Overdrive
    6-Speed Manual Overdrive
    Drive Train: All Wheel Drive

    Fuel Economy(City/Highway): 17/24 miles per gallon (Auto)
    17/24 miles per gallon (Manual)
    Range (City/Highway): 276/392 miles with full tank (Auto)
    279/398 miles with full tank ((Manual))
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    Ok then, sorry i posted a non helpful post, i thought posting something to acknowledge i had read it was better than nothing at all.

    Ok what kind of age S4 are you looking at?? i can find fugures fir all sorts, just need the age to pin it down

    EG
    Engines: 2.7 liter V6 DOHC
    Horsepower: 250hp @ 5800RPM
    Torque: 258lb-ft. @ 1850RPM
    Transmissions: 5-Speed Automatic Overdrive
    6-Speed Manual Overdrive
    Drive Train: All Wheel Drive

    Fuel Economy(City/Highway): 17/24 miles per gallon (Auto)
    17/24 miles per gallon (Manual)
    Range (City/Highway): 276/392 miles with full tank (Auto)
    279/398 miles with full tank ((Manual))


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    Sorry about calling people unhelpful.

    Right, i'm looking at 1999/2000 ish S4 2.7T with 265hp. Manual 6 speed.

    Are the figures above for US spec cars? "Highway"? As far as I know all UK S4s were manual? US gallons?
    I think I saw this on the audiworld site.

    Cheers

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    I get about 23mpg on average according to the computer. On a long run I would say I get about 350 miles to a tank, If I just drive around town about 200 miles. Costs around £50 for a tank of optimax. My driving style is very grown up with the odd boy racer moment !

    I think you need to factor in a few other things such as tyres (about £250 a pair) which the 4 wheel drive will wear out at the same rate front to back. Also parts and servicing for the s4 can be quite expensive (especially the dreaded 80,000 mile service).

    So I would really go back to what I said earlier, if you are concerned about running costs I would not buy an s4. If I were in your shoes doing around 20k a year I would look at buying a 1.8t sport (quattro maybe) which has good performance and better mpg (about 450 miles on a tank).
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    I get about 23mpg on average according to the computer. On a long run I would say I get about 350 miles to a tank, If I just drive around town about 200 miles. Costs around £50 for a tank of optimax. My driving style is very grown up with the odd boy racer moment !

    I think you need to factor in a few other things such as tyres (about £250 a pair) which the 4 wheel drive will wear out at the same rate front to back. Also parts and servicing for the s4 can be quite expensive (especially the dreaded 80,000 mile service).

    So I would really go back to what I said earlier, if you are concerned about running costs I would not buy an s4. If I were in your shoes doing around 20k a year I would look at buying a 1.8t sport (quattro maybe) which has good performance and better mpg (about 450 miles on a tank).

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    Thanks for that - good info. so, at 90p per litre that works out at 28mpg on a run and 16mpg in town, tying in with your computers 23mpg.

    I'm not too worried about the maintainance costs as I have a good VW/Audi specialist near me.
    All cars use tyres - I'm putting 190hp through the front ones on the Corrado and they seem to last about 25000 miles. Wear rates are fairly closely linked to driving style!

    Will just have to put up with parts prices - however most comments about reliability seem to be positive so hopefully I will only have to be replacing wear items. Fingers crossed.

    Knew about the 80000 big service and certainly one to watch out for when considering individual cars.

    I need a quattro as I have to pull a boat up a muddy slipway - front wheel drive just won't do it unfortunately.

    Thanks for the info.
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    Just out of interest I have e-mailed Audi customer services asking them why there isn't any information of this type on their website. They should be back to me in the next few days.

    It is buyers of used cars that influence what the residual values of the new cars they produce will be.
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    Mine was the Biturbo. The best I managed in standard form was 27MPG on a run at 75mph (painful!)

    Average combined was low 20's.

    Stage 3+ didn't affect consumption until you drove it hard, in which case I regularly saw 18MPG.

    Very thirsty cars!
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    Nothing heard from Audi Customer services. Unsurprisingly.

    MWStewart - thanks for that. Low 20s hmmmm.

    Interesting what you say about consumption with mods not being affected unless using the power.

    I guess that's the benefit of a modern forced induction engine.
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    It's not just the fuel costs that will be higher.

    You cannot compare a VW Corrado to an S4 on any level.

    What happens if you are unfortunate like me and have to replace the entire suspension system (£1500) The the shocks and springs (£500) Then have a problem with the Ignition amplifier module(£500) all within the space of two months. And this was on a 1.8t! for the S4 multiply these costs by ?

    It's like the other guys said, if you have to worry about the MPG you shouldnt consider an S4. Stop dreaming! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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    It's not a case of having to worry about the MPG - when purchasing anything it' better to be informed about the costs. If you look at my earlier post the difference between some of the "heresay" figures 18 - 28 mpg represents a difference of £1400 - I don't know of anyone to whom this is an insignificant amount.

    Corrados cost a few quid to keep running:

    Ignition coil pack £350
    Alarm system £420
    150000 mile service (small one) £350
    Front end re-spray to chase away stone chips £480
    All since beginning of November

    Shocks and bushes will need doing over the next year - probably two visits at £250 each.

    So, please do not acuse me of just "Dreaming".

    Right, that's me, now you.
    Your misfortune seems to be partly of your own making.
    1. The ignition amplifier problem is well known and numerous 1.8 engined cars were recalled to have this replaced. You should have checked that this had been done before purchasing or budgeted for it.

    2. You might want to have a chat with your mechanic. "entire suspension system £1500" and THEN "shocks and springs £500" either looks like someone's pulling your chain or you have bought a poorly maintained high mileage car without having it checked out properly. Suspension components do wear out you know.

    Anyway, Back off to my dreaming. I think I shall stay well clear of 1.8ts if they are anything like as unreliable as yours.

    Regards

    Dreamer :)
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    Yep I did make an unfortunate buy. A high miler that has ended up costing me a fortune. I did do my homework though, made all the necessary checks, it has just been bad luck really. It's all sorted now though should be good for another 100k. The reason the shocks and springs were that price was because I had a Bilstein kit fitted (which I have been totally dicked around with too but thats another thread). The suspension I found was totally fuked about 6 months into ownership. The £1500 bill included all parts and labour and new brake discs and 2 new brake calipers and a couple of other bits that I didn’t mention. The work was done by a friend of the family who I trust. With the new wheels and tyres and the modifications to the car I have probably spent nearly what I paid for it originally. It was my first car (at 26) so I have learnt from my mistakes. I don’t regret it and certainly aren’t ashamed of it. I am afraid I put too much faith in the Parkers buyers guide for the A4 which stated something like “these cars are bullet proof as long as all the servicing has been done correctly…. don’t worry about purchasing one with high miles..”

    I have been lucky to have been able to comfortably afford all the replacements or I might have to have sold up and got something cheaper. And seeing as your game is personal attacks, I see no reason why I shouldn’t let you know that I certainly wouldnt have considered buying a VW Corrado. They are atrocious looking things. They represent a desperate attempt at performance car ownership, true has-been cars that were only appealing to chavs even in their hey-day (chavs who couldn’t even afford to dream about proper good cars like Porsches and RS2’s). Similar to Vauxhall Calibras, there are too types of people that drive them, young chavs who can't afford a decent car and older chavs who can't afford a decent car. The main thing owners have in common is disillusionment. Unfortunatly they think a Calibra or Corrado is a nice car that will gain them a little kudos amongst car enthusiasts. Were, the truth is in fact that it is an 80's looking peice of /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/swear.gif that intelligent road users pity.

    So, when you buy an S4 come and show the photos and I will congratulate you. Until them I am calling /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/swear.gif on your ass. So go back to dreaming that re-occuring dream you have all the time, day and night, of you sitting in your pink S4 with leather seats, Will Young in the passenger seat wearing a leather thong. Will is clearly aroused and so are you, in the dream you both retire to the back seats and have a "sword fight"… yuck, I don’t even want to know where you dream goes from there. Hopefully you wake up and are denied the pleasure you sick fuk.
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    cor, corrado vr6's are in no way shape or form cheap to run or maintain.

    mine almost bankrupt me! the amount of hoses it was eating, tyres it was chewing, fuel it was drinking, oil it was burning and as for the suspension and servicing...

    the problem with them is that they only shared comman parts with 1 VW, the unpopular mk2 passat. Everything else was specially made. For instance, the heater controls (just the knobs and facia) cost £500 from vag. Bumpers? £500 each. i could go on, but i just start missing the corrado...

    anyway, sorry to go OT...

    and as for Bandito...

    where the hell are you coming from? why are you being so harsh against one of karmanns greatest (just a shame about their early build quality) ?

    Little kudos against car owners? you obviously dont know any car owners, as wasnt it jeremy clarkson who described it as the best ever front engined, front wheel drive coupe? yes, i'd agree that it's beginning to look tired, but in its day, it was the freshest looking sprinter out there, and it still doesn't look half bad. How can you call a £30k karmann performance coupe
    a mass produced chav $hit bucket? Whn it was built, the ability to get a 190HP front engined V6 coupe to handle as perfectly as it did, is pure genius, VAG new this, and so did their owners, luckily, ignorant tw@ts like you didn't, so never got to appreciate the fine piece of engineering. Such talk to rubbish the car and their owners is to $hit on VAG and the owners who love these cars, me included. I would have no problems in buying another corrado.

    next thing you'll be saying that the Veyron is a chav charriot, and should be kept in morrissons car-parks.

    it's quite clear that you have no idea about the VAG history, or any care about the significance of history of the corrado or scirrocco. Yet i bet yo'll be the first to rave about the planned new hot VAG coupe.... suprisingly a corrado.

    if these are your thoughts about VAG's finest, and their owners, please uck-off.
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    obviously not an enthusiast Bandito
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    Oops - what have I started?
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    OK, if you do a lot of miles and drive at a steady 70mph you will probably see 28 mpg combined.

    Most 2.7T's are getting long in the tooth (the newest are coming up for 5 years old) - the
    other costs are very high.

    Town driving and having fun, you will not see much more than 20 mpg. My DIS currently reads
    23mpg average - that was mostly from a 300 mile round trip I did over the weekend (all
    Motorway at 80 - 100+ km/h ;-) ).


    Basically, if you want 28mpg out of an S4 you won't be able to drive it like an S4 so whats
    the point?
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    [ QUOTE ]
    OK, if you do a lot of miles and drive at a steady 70mph you will probably see 28 mpg combined.

    Most 2.7T's are getting long in the tooth (the newest are coming up for 5 years old) - the
    other costs are very high.

    Town driving and having fun, you will not see much more than 20 mpg. My DIS currently reads
    23mpg average - that was mostly from a 300 mile round trip I did over the weekend (all
    Motorway at 80 - 100+ km/h ;-) ).


    Basically, if you want 28mpg out of an S4 you won't be able to drive it like an S4 so whats
    the point?

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    Sounds like just what I'm after. Average low / mid 20s. Can be frugal ish on a run and still with plenty of power when I fancy a blast.

    Have a mate with a 2.8 A4, non-quattro who only averages 22/23 - so I might as well go for the full monty S4 if a lowly 2.8 is going to be almost as bad!

    Cheers

    Thanks for the info.
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    if these are your thoughts about VAG's finest, and their owners, please uck-off.

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    I dont have a clue about VAG history and I don't claim to. I don't give a sheet about it. I'm just basing my opinions on what I see nowadays.

    I think the old Corrado's suck big bawlls. You're right, I get exited about what new stuff is coming out, I don't dwell on the enginerial acheivements of yesteryear. That stuff is about as attractive to me intellectually as the idea of french kissing a tramp.

    It's funny to me that my comments made you a bit hot under the collar.
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    This thread simply started out as a request for knowledge on S4 fuel consumption! So why all the personal attacks? Bandito?

    I see nothing wrong with duncansaunders posts so lets keep it on topic shall we?
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    duncansaunders the 2.7t is quite a bit more expensive than the 2.8 on fuel realistically on an average commute its impossible to get a speed consistent enough for economy, if i were you put some extra money into lpg, the 2.8 sees as you say around 23-22mpg on one of those runs the 2.7t will see 18mpg on the same run. on a true motorway drive at 70mph 30-31mpg
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    Wow a moderator, never seen that before. 2 guesses who snitched... Sorry to all the old stiffs who were a bit scared by my language and references to Will Young.

    Back to topic...

    18000 miles a year in a 20mpg car? You are really going to feel the fuel costs.

    Let's do the math..

    Say, 90p a litre (average where I live) x 4.5 = £4.05 per gallon.

    18000 / 20 = 900. 900 x 4.05 = £3645 per year on fuel alone.

    £25 in the tank Monday... £25 in the tank Wednesday, £25 In the tank Friday...(repeat).

    £75 a week on fuel alone - that is really going to sting.
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    Wow a moderator, never seen that before. 2 guesses who snitched... Sorry to all the old stiffs who were a bit scared by my language and references to Will Young.

    Back to topic...

    18000 miles a year in a 20mpg car? You are really going to feel the fuel costs.

    Let's do the math..

    Say, 90p a litre (average where I live) x 4.5 = £4.05 per gallon.

    18000 / 20 = 900. 900 x 4.05 = £3645 per year on fuel alone.

    £25 in the tank Monday... £25 in the tank Wednesday, £25 In the tank Friday...(repeat).

    £75 a week on fuel alone - that is really going to sting.

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    Exactly!
    (Already done the maths - £1400 per year difference between 18mpg and 27mpg - so needed to find out what to expect) Could change my suspension with the £1400 saving almost)
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    That's why I was trying to find out what the real world consumption was from an S4 owner.

    Whilst I realise that when giving the full right foot they will drink it If they can be frugal ish (28 mpg say on a run) then it is a cost i can bear.


    So far the consensus among S4 owners who have replied is that I should expect low 20s (23) average.
    The official euro combined is 25mpg. So those figures kind of agree.
    I get slightly better than the euro combined in my Corrado so would hope to get similar from an S4 as I spend no time at all driving in towns.

    So, I reckon, if i'm lucky, I might get 25mpg or a bit better.

    So, all i need now is to wait for the spring, the sun to come out and find a lucky buyer for the VR6 and then go shopping. (Would prefer to keep it but GF is a bit short and can't see out of it too well!)

    Thanks to all who have helped.

    Duncan
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    Wow a moderator, never seen that before. 2 guesses who snitched... Sorry to all the old stiffs who were a bit scared by my language and references to Will Young.



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    Were you under the impression that this site wasn't moderated and you could do what you like?

    If so, you are sadly mistaken!

    Nobody "snitched" so stop behaving like a prat and try to be more helpful in the future!

    End of conversation...
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    Sorry Dicky, I have just never seen a moderator post anything before. On other web boards that I have visited (not many, granted) the mods sometimes pop in and join in the discussion or offer their opinions.
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    I too am in the market for an S4.

    I currently have an RX8, so know all about poor fuel consumption, so nothing scares me!
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    I pay almost £60 to fill my '01 S4 Avant and conservative driving gets me 230 ish miles.
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