Well, like a lot of 8p owners who have been waiting for the new S3 i am now in a pickle. after having a 3.2Q dsg with sat nav plus, tv and other extras for two years i face the prospect of parting company with A LOT OF CASH to get the new S3 similarly specced to mine - and the prospect of losing dsg. The new S3 has grown on me and i do like the looks and appeal but as said its a big outlay for small performance gains. So the question is S3 or nearly new S4 with toys and maybe tiptronic? the new S3 posts near identical 0-60 times of the S4 do you think there would be a big real word performance gap between the two? how do we rate the two cars against each other? is tiptronic a step back from dsg? which car looks the best? discuss! ps: i still believe a RS3 is possible. Why? the non-flared arches on the new S3; if you look accross the audi range ie the S4-only subtle styling changes, no flared arches - the RS4 on the other hand? gotta keep hoping!!!