Just for the record s8n, these comments were not all aimed specifically at you...some were, some were general comments aimed at the group as a whole. [ QUOTE ] s8n said: 1) Don't buy it, no one is forcing you too. Just because you have never came across those figures, doesn't mean its not possible. www.ozaudi.com, go to the TT section and see what they have to say about changing their exhaust. [/ QUOTE ] Very true... But there are a lot of websites written by people who claim huge gains that simply do not come up with the goods of independant rolling roads, or in dyno day shootouts. Strange huh? Telling the world something is great...but backing it up with results, any day, any place, any time is a whole new kettle of fish. I'm not saying that some of these guys can't do that...it just surprises me that two cars of the same production line, using similar fuels tested in different parts of the world can allegedly produce such hige differences. [ QUOTE ] 2) You must be pissed after outlaying large sums of $ for f*&k all difference /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif [/ QUOTE ] Not at all...as I said, the combination produces decent gains with a very well sorted S3...so I'm happy that they are worth the money now...they certainly weren't...but now the tuning is heading along nicely, they come into their own. [/ QUOTE ] 3) Its melt, not ment. Like TBA? [ QUOTE ] /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif 1:1 [ QUOTE ] 4) I never did.. [/ QUOTE ] Like I said...not all aimed at you specifically...I'm aware that you did not say to change them...but others may have heard differently. [ QUOTE ] 5) Dyno is better than no dyno. provided same operator, same settings, same temps. No point in comparing if not done properly. [/ QUOTE ] Indeed so... [ QUOTE ] 6) blah [/ QUOTE ] /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif [ QUOTE ] 7) According to you. [/ QUOTE ] In two years it's never made a difference on mine. Of course, as I stated, these are my views with which some of you will agree, and some will dissargee. I can handle that. [ QUOTE ] 8) See 3) [/ QUOTE ] 2:1 to you sir! I wish I had the patience to proof read things... [ QUOTE ] 9) It reduces exhaust gas velocity, it combined with the muffler and straight through piping produces good gains. [/ QUOTE ] Again, I'd argue that the remaining area is still sufficient to allow a standard S3 to breath with no adverse effects. [ QUOTE ] 10) Makes me wonder why you guys buy exhausts if you don't get power gains. [/ QUOTE ] Because some people will buy beasd upon clever marketing and pie in the sky power claims. People like to think that they can gain 15 BHP for a few hundred quid...it's just not going to happen by changing the exhaust from the cat back - for the majority of us anyway. People will always start with the easy jobs...like the exhaust. Company dyno charts are fine...as long at they tally up with what the private individuals are getting on cold-call rolling road runs...which unfortunately is not always the case. Unfortunately by the time Mr X finds this out, he's hundreds out of pocket. Of course there are others that chance the exhaust as a step in the tuning process, ready for the next level...and there's nowt wrong with that...just as long as they don't expect the moon on a stick!