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RS4 Stolen - Seen on CCTV

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    Thread below, including the owner telling how it was (June 2013).

    A tool available on eBay was used to fool the immobiliser to code a new/blank key. The tracker was found within 12 minutes and removed.

    AudiSRS.com :: B8 RS4 Stolen in 90 Seconds

    The information is publicly available and there is an old video about how to programme a blank key via the OBD socket, on a 2010 A4 on a well known social media video site!!

    Have there been recent VW Audi security updates to prevent this? :(
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    That is painful to watch.
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    No.

    I'm buying a disklok in the short term as Audi have so far refused to accept there is a issue. Ironically the RS4 has one of the highest security ratings out there, although that test doesn't give credence to this new theft type.


    If you think this is a one off scenario, read this thread and then you'll see its far more frequent than they'd like you to know:

    A wake up call for A5 owners - Security - A5_OC

    Shocking really, but as long as those in Audi AG can sleep comfortably at night then it must be fine...
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    This makes me feel sick
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    I am going to investigate a discreet hidden switch to disable certain lines of the J1962 OBD2 connector I think.

    That way at least there is one more obstacle for the scumbags.
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    OBD is just to the right of steering wheel and down underneath dash.not sure on price just done a quick search as i had heard of them before.
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    I think we need to be made aware of this sort of thing and if we can find ways to get round these flaws then yes I'm up for this info to be posted. Being a owner of a RS4 and a victim of car theft on more then one ocation I need to know.
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    I done something like this with a mk3 turbo diesel golf I had years ago. I installed a hidden switch that turned off the fuel pump. Ud never have found it in a million years.
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    Dunno why the OBD port isn't disabled when the ignition if off. I can't think of any instances when you would need legitimate access to it without having the keys to turn on the ignition.
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    Worst part of owning one is the inconvenience of storing it in car. Unless it's tied down it bangs about like you wouldn't believe.

    Ran one for 3 years on Lupo GTi about 10 years ago and it didn't mark the wheel at all. I'll live with the inconvenience until a fix is found as the pain would be worth depriving the thriving scum of having my car (s5 won't fit in my garage, s3 does).
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    Another device is the anti theft built into remaps these days, both Revo and APR have this. Spanner in the works for a thief, you could probably blag the cars fubard and waiting for recovery aswell if the thiefs dare come up stairs.

    I know with the Revo system the car starts but the accelerator pedal doesn't work, the thief wouldn't know what was going on, how would he know its mapped.
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    I know a lot of the M3 guys remove/relocate the OBD port, and replace with a dummy one.
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    Just glad i haven't got keyless entry with a start button.


    Security experts and police sources also tell of alarming increases in thefts of vehicles with keyless entry systems. With such systems the key fob communicates wirelessly with the car. In some vehicles the driver has only to press a start button to drive off as long as the fob is in the car. In others, the fob has to be placed in a slot on the dashboard.

    Police warn that all new cars with keyless entry are vulnerable to the technique, as long as hackers can crack the security codes. “If they can hack into the Pentagon computer, then they can hack into cars,” says Simon Ashton, the industry liaison officer at the Metropolitan police stolen vehicles unit. “There is not a vehicle out there that can’t be reprogrammed. This is likely to be a constant battle in the future. With every new car or software update, it will be a matter of time until the hackers find a weakness. This is how car theft will be from now on.”
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    Not really bothered, at the end of the day it is only a car and seeing I've got GAP insurance if it is a total loss I will have it replaced. Besides they'd have to get it passed my other car first..
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    Thieving scummy ****s, watching stuff like this really realy angers me. Why do these low life scum bags think they have th eright to just take other peoples property just because they feel like it. Far tougher penalties are needed for people doing this stuff. Being with people doing it should automatically carry the same penalty as the person doing it.
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    my thoughts are if they really want it they will get it
    a bloke in sheffield with his GT3 had his house robbed failed to get keys 3 times
    low loader failed as neighbours called police
    so they jacked him as he drove on his drive one night
    got a kick in they got the GT3.
    so if they want my car that bad they can have it.
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    Two family members have had cars stolen in the past. One from the house whilst they slept and the other was car jacked. In both cases the advice from the police was its not worth risking violence. If they've managed to get in your car or force entry to your house then its less risk just to give them what they want. Of course don't make it too easy, so keep the keys out of sight of letterboxes / windows, and keep the car doors locked whilst driving etc.

    **** really that you have few legal rights to defend your property, but having seen the beating my uncles partner received for her car I don't think any material item is worth a life.
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    RS5 was stolen near me and found stripped on pallets ready to go.
    Keyless is definitely not the way to go.
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    I've wanted push button starter forever, finally my wish comes true as the car is being built tomorrow. Then I hear about this in the last week! Going to speak with Revo to see if there is anything they can do to reprogramme the car to only start with key in the ignition, but still going to investigate other options (+ Disklok).
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    Is this only a problem for advanced key, or .... ?
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    As far as I know yes
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    It seems that a Disklok and hidden fuel pump isolation switch plus garage with burglar alarm is the way to go when at home. It will give them something to think about.
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    Disklok,fuel pump switch,aftermarket alarm,tracker,OBD immobiliser as many ways to stop them as possible
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    As far as I can see making the car more difficult to steal without the criminals knowing they will fail will either result in having damage to the car, them coming after you for the keys or the smell of burning in the morning when you wake to find a burnt out shell on your driveway. I would have thought the simplest way to imobilise your car is to remove the fuse or relay to the fuel pump...
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    The trouble is though if you make it too hard they will just wait so they can car jack you or break into the house and threaten your wife or your kids, I remember a while ago a friend had a Clifford alarm on his bmw e36 m3 they tried to steal the car and the Clifford did it's job so they broke in his house put a knife to his girlfriends throat and made him insert the pin into the Clifford's alarm then they took it! Now to me that's scary to be woke in the middle of the night in that situation, at least this way they didn't enter the property, cars are metal and can be replaced ppl cant
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    Well said.
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    The point is when you buy a car you think the the alarm system fitted to your car is meant to stop crooks, so the fact they find a way round the system is erelivent.

    They want your car so if it as a unbreakable alarm or not by your own words they will break in. Best bet fit a alarm to you're home, one with a home mode that guards the doors while your asleep.

    I have had to deal with home intruders before; it did not go well for them or me or should I say my unborn son at the time. I will never be scared of people like that.
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    Blood boils
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    Correct - which is why I wouldn't spec Advanced Key on my S3!
    As to an effective way of stopping access to the port, I've sorted that one out - a friend of mine showed me how he'd done this in his M3 after his first one was stolen by some **** using a laptop and before anyone asks, I'm not saying how you do that on an open forum! The second I get my S3 home from the dealer I will sort that one out!

    I had a car stolen a few years ago where they broke into the house and stole the keys that were in coat, hanging off the stairs- they removed the car flap and then my back door to get in would you believe... if I'd disturbed them ****ing right I would have had a go! I'm ex Army and know how to defend myself, so good luck if anyone want to wave a knife at me. After that experience I fitted a house alarm, better security lighting and upgraded locks on the doors. The keys now stay upstairs with me and I never, never leave the house without them, spares are not kept at the same property ... don't be worried about the stories you her of people being threatened at knifepoint, it's very rare that they will risk any kind of contact with you as one speck of DNA left behind and they're going to get caught - they'd have to be pretty desperate or stupid to risk it, most are looking for an easy target and most people make it easy - been there, learnt the hard way.
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    I'm never scared of ppl but if someone came in brandishing a knife or a gun you have to look at the bigger picture, no point trying to be a hero if u or your family end up in a box 6ft under! If they came in unarmed the. It's game on but chances are they would be armed
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    PM me, how you have sorted the OBD Port?
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    I used to know a guy with over 15 years martial arts training, including practising against real knives, swords and other weapons. He's also had plenty of real world practice as a police officer. Faced with a knife his first choice would still be to run (which he's also spent years training at).

    Also bear in mind that there are four of of them in the video. With two attackers you might be able to keep them both in front of you, but not with four. Once you go to the ground (which you probably would) you'll get your head stamped on repeatedly and your kidneys pulverised. The pain in your stomach might be mistaken for a punch or kick, but is actually a screwdriver piercing a couple of vital organs. You'd be lucky if you only got a hospital stay. Oh, and they'd still take the car.

    Years ago I had a motorbike. They tried to steal it, but couldn't get the engine started so abandoned it 50 yards from my home. In the process they damaged locks, gates and the bike. Wasn't worth claiming on insurance but cost a few bob and was a lot of hassle. A couple of months later they tried again and succeeded. The bike was recovered but was a write off. Claimed off the insurance and put the money towards my first car. Probably got more on insurance than I would have selling the bike.

    Don't make it easy for them, but avoid violence - it's really not worth it.
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    Best bet is probably a garage with a sturdy door, they can still just break in for the keys of course, but it prevents them accessing the car without getting into the house.
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    My father, back in 1997, did the same thing on his A3 1.8 8L. In order to start the engine you had to touch somewhere in the floor mat. One day he went to Naples and left the car in a garage. We did not know how, but they were able to start and move the car by themselves...
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    I remember back in the days when Ford RS's were getting stolen, everyone was getting those driveway security bollards.

    How much are the modern electric ones, like they have at car parks -- anyone know?
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    Automatic bollards are expensive, £1500+. Manual models can be had for under £100 though.
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    Which part of the army trains hand to hand combat with knives?
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    just be en reading some replies to this thread its a bad world we live in but when its your pride and joy you feel like buying a gun to sort out these scum bags
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