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Discussion in 'RS3 Forum' started by dbm, Apr 24, 2013.
Sky 240 - Discovery Shed
8:30 - Fifth Gear - RS3 vs BMW 1M
The RS3 section be quiet tonight then. I may even watch it myself, lol. Thanks for the info. x
Channel 242 - oops!
Thanks for the heads up ... let's hope Chris Harris isn't doing it
I'm not sure it will be that quiet Sandra, it's not the RS3's finest hour if it's this one? With the RS3 driven by Rally legend Mark Higgins of the IOM Subaru moment fame... Oh dear you can already guess the result surely, damn those Conti 5P tyres! If they had only been on the same tyres it would all have been different
This video is blocked on YouTube for the UK but the Chinese equivalent 'Youco' seems to work fine!
I'm impressed with the lap times for both cars, my best ever is almost 3s slower. Mind you they are pros and Cadwell Park scares me silly, especially if it's damp, so many ways it can go wrong there.
They're bound to slag us off. The £10k more expensive oversteering hot hatch...........Blah blah blah
In fact I think I've seen it before ... it's Tiff and a guest rallycross driver driving them.
I guess we better get your article uploaded to the magazine for you all to read, lol. Cant have you all getting bored now Mark. Lmao. x
I'm planning a good 30 minutes of righteous indignation
It's a bit unfair don't you think since the RS3 is a hatchback (sport back) and the BMW is a coupe so for the RS3 to be close is great but I would like to see them pit that 1M against a TTRS, now that would be close my brother has a 1M and I have a TTRS and let me tell you it's very close and the tt slightly beats it.
Yes you run along now, no TV for you!! You don't want me to get bored and buy one of those 'superior' cars, I mean I believe everything the press say...
Anyway you're in luck I can't write articles about those cars with a propeller badge as my Tourette's Thesaurus oversteered into a hedge sometime after encountering the slightest drizzle on the road.
Anyway here's one to cheer us all up after that inevitable outcome. I don't know about you but my RS3 spends more time on wet roads than dry tracks.
The Sport Auto Wet Handling Circuit:
And the roll of honour from fastestlaps.com, see no 16. Also check Nos 2, 4 and 9.
And being pushed from the rear at No 71:
Audi S5 beats and RS3. What's that all about? Second from top... Audi RS4... legend.
RS4 legend no question, if only they could find the same formula for all the other R & RS cars!
I have no extra information but maybe the smoother power delivery of the S5 supercharger over the boost of the turbo.
I do know this test upsets the GTR set, '08, 480/1740 = 1.32.40 vs '11, 530/1736 = 1:35:00 - where did those 50 horses go?
Why is the TTRS so low down?
Good question. The highest placed TT seems to be the non-quattro 2L petrol car!
Here is what the Sportauto journalist said about the TTRS on the wet handling track (it's a google translate job so some of the meaning is lost but I think you get the impression from this):
TTRS rating 2/10 Time: 1:37.2 on the Sportauto wet handling track:
It depends less on the concept from, rather than the implementation of the same. This thesis is based of four-wheel drive TT RS is like no other.Stoically pushed through the front wheels while the TTS at these low coefficients of friction and so even gave the possible advantage to the weaker, front-wheel-driven two-liter variant, shows the current TT RS is a completely contrarian image. The abrupt breaking the rear axle with low friction values ââis sometimes not only high demands on the driver, but also brings the strong coupÃ© time seriously behind. It lacks almost five seconds for the TTS. It is not advisable to disable the ESP in the wet.
RS3 9/10 on wet handling - again translated from Sportauto:
Rarely the fun in wet handling was so pronounced: super grip, perfect traction, balance, a slight but constructive "steering-linked" Heck, particularly when braking and last but not least, a perfect ABS coordination with barely noticeable, yet effective interventions. The particular pair of Conti tires - front 255/35 ZR 19 and rear 225/35 ZR 19 - seems to be extremely open-minded these to conditions. The distance traveled in the Super Test on the Audi RS3 Sportback air pressure here: 2,35 bar front and 2.5 bar rear. The tend to be somewhat poorer performance on the tires when cornering on dry land will find this a further conclusive explanation.
Vastly superior to this:
BMW 1M 1/10 Time 1:38.2 and here is what they said - keep the ESP turned on!
Neither the technical layout to another in terms of qualifying tires can be spoken by a specialist for low friction - that is the distance traveled on the wet handling course from time clearly. An initial push through the front wheels replaced after a bit too much gas with abrupt oversteer on what not continuously or simply designed to drive at the limit. The driver can thus preferably the ESP turned on, regardless of the strong performance loss that inevitably sets in due to the then permanent control interventions. The ABS intervention, so to speak regularly compliant, which means they are all structurally effective in providing reasonable frequency.
I will obviously not compare my knowledge or skills, or lack thereof, but I must say that if we talk feeling, I can defo say that I've never felt a car so planted in the wet on that Welsh road we drove on. I relate to what this guy said about our car on that wet track. My Megane RS would have got me off the road, or the front wheels would have constantly lost traction.
I understand that the 1M or else would be superior in the dry, but somehow, I feel I'd have the confidence to push for longer knowing that I'd keep stability until I find myself having to brake. I am not sure the 1M driver would have that leeway.
Way back I had a Nissan 200SX - fantastic fun, rear wheel drive, 200bhp and no ESP. It taught me a thing or two about driving. But it was scary in bad conditions. AWD gives vastly more confidence in bad weather, and here in the UK that is the prevailing condition.
I'm sure Tiff Needell is faster in a RWD than an AWD drive car. But a regular guy? AWD will be faster and safer every time.