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    [Nov 25, 2004]
    Hi there could someone recomend a DVD-RECORDER £250 max
    have saw a good few phillips and panasonic for £199, altho not sure wot to pick?
    also prob a totaly stupid question but is it like a video in the respect that u can re record over old disc? or once its "burnt" is that that disc? thanks
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    You have dvd+/-r which are write once disks which are cheaper, dvd+/-rw disks which are re-useable and cost more, then you have dvd ram which are re-useable and are encapsulated like minidisk.

    Different manufacturers support different formats so if you want to make recordings to play back on other machines, you should investigate this.

    All dvd recorders seem a bit of a balls ache to use compared to vcr and even more so than hard disk recorders, but they outperform vcr's easily, so what you buy is probably more down to format/features than performance.

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    If i recall correctly, the most compatible are DVD-R discs...

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    I agree with Andy Mac, Sky+ / Tivo is probably the easiest solution.

    Whats even better is that there is a company out there that will modify your sky+ box. They install an SDI digital connection that streams the MPEG Digital Video /Audio signal out of the Sky+ box (Sky only provide an analogue Scart i think). This allows you to run a cable from the SDI port on the back of the Sky box to an SDI PCI card (about £100) in your PC. This will give you a digital video signal that you can record direct onto your PC in MPEG format (its almost as good as DVD quality, i think its a 6Mbs stream). The company that do this also increase the size of the hard drive in the Sky+ box to 250Gb.
    The new Sky+ box doesnt support this feature so you have to have one of the earlier model Sky+ boxes, i think they sell premodified boxes though.
    Costs a bit of money but this is what im saving up for. My boss got it done the other day and hasnt stopped going on about it.

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    Earlier this year i bought a Cinema surround sound system with DVD Recorder cost me £900 with extended cover then afterwards i found out about Sky+ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif What a twat!!! Worst about it is i've only used it a couple of times..... but sounds great watching movies!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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    DVD Home Recorders are the biggest load of hype in the industry. VCR's are pretty good at what they do, easy to use, everyone's got one, they're totally cross compatible throughout Europe and for as little as £49 an absolute bargain.
    DVD-R is not a replacement for video. It is pretty specialist in fact. Great on your PC for storage, or for storing photo's and home movies, but as a domestic appliance have very little use beyond pirating porn. I can't believe the retailers are trying to blackmail the public into investing in this redundant technology by threatening to stop selling VCR's. I'm sure you'll still be able to buy top name brands like Bush & Goodmans in your local Tesco.
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    LMAO @ top name brands like BUSH & GOODMANS /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif good one!!!!
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    I don't see how anyone can say vcr's are good, ok maybe its true that a glitch won't ruin the whole recording. But, firstly the playback quality is NOWHERE near as good as DVD, after a few viewings it will start deteriarating (i know i spelt that wrong), forwading/rewinding takes ages, general navigation is a nightmare and many more other things. Ok the tapes are cheap but thats about it.

    DVD-R on the other hand is a much better option. Even the discs don't cost that much, my dad ordered a pack of 10 DVD-R for about £5 online, thats 50p a disc. The ones you buy in high street stores are expensive, but thats only becuase they are branded (Philips, Panasonic etc). Also the most popular one is DVD/R-. Sony uses DVD/R+. This is the only downside, there are still 2 or 3 different formats. OK they are not cross compatitable, how ofter would you need it anyway. How ofter do you need to play your VCR's on a different machine other then the one it was recorded on? Hardly ever i would say.

    Anyway, to the person who started this thread, the panasonic one is better in that it has a feature called Time Slip, which enables you to basically 'live pause', a bit like Sky+. Also i believe there is another feature on the panasonic where you can record and watch a previously recorded program at the same time on the same disc, but not 100% about this. The downside is that the DVD's made using the panasonic won't be as compatitable as the philips. But i would go with the panasonic one.

    And once all the formats have combined, then it will wipe out VCR's for good. You might think they are specialist, but you don't realise the amount of people buying them. In Curry's, for every 1 VCR we sell, we probably sell 15 DVD recorders. In the last year the range of VCR's has gone from about 20+ models to about 5. They are on their way out, its only a matter of a few more years.
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    Just buy RW DVD's they can be used over 1000 times with no loss of picture or sound quality cant argue with that. Digital is the way forward analogue is a thing of the past and so is VHS
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    Once again pimp I take my hat off to your superior expertise gained during a saturday job in a high street washing machine shop.
    Playback quality is only as good as the broadcast you are recording. SVHS is as good as most broadcasts, until HDTV is available anyway.
    Most things you record are disposable. i.e. you only watch them once because you were out. Your 50p DVD example is thus redundant as you are not comparing rewritable DVD's.
    Rewritable DVD's have a finite life as well, so are not as re-recordable as video tape.
    Cross compatibility is important for home movies that you want to share with relations abroad. Obviously these are usually taken on digital video, so transfer to DVD makes sense, and costs less to send overseas.
    Wipe out VCR's for good? I don't think so. Have a look at the figures on VCR usage. They are primarily used to record off air and play prerecorded films. Neither of which requires a DVD-R. A DVD-R on its own is not a replacement for a VCR, as you they are not easy to use yet, and have on going running costs on media.
    Sky+ will wipe out VCR's once they have a built in DVD recorder.
    I'm not disputing how many idiots are being sucked into the propaganda, but they are not throwing their VCR's in the skip as a result.
    Maybe the 15:1 ratio of DVD-R to VCR sales has something to do with the fact that everyone has a VCR so are unlikely to buy another. Durrrrr!
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    Well you can stick to your vcr's then.
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    1. Once again pimp I take my hat off to your superior expertise gained during a saturday job in a high street washing machine shop.

    Well thanks. I dunno why you always asociate Currys with washing machines, they sell a far bigger range of AV products then white goods.


    2. Playback quality is only as good as the broadcast you are recording. SVHS is as good as most broadcasts, until HDTV is available anyway.

    No. Playback quality can only be UPTO as good as broadcast quality, but how good it is depends on what you are using to record. I have never seen a recording on any £50 VCR that is as good as the original broadcast. And it will be even worse after its been viewed a few times. The other thing is the sound quality is nowhere near as good either. For example if you record a movie of the TV/SAT and play it back, full blast on your sound system, it will sound ****.


    3. Most things you record are disposable. i.e. you only watch them once because you were out. Your 50p DVD example is thus redundant as you are not comparing rewritable DVD's.
    Rewritable DVD's have a finite life as well, so are not as re-recordable as video tape.

    So, do tapes not have a finite life as well? DVD rewritables might have a finite life, as do tapes. But how on earth are tapes MORE re-recordable? You can record on a RW many times before it will start to loose quality, whereas a tape will bite the dust after a few recordings.
    Also, if you have a big family (like i have), then more often then not recordings are watched more then once. For example if eastenders was recorded, i will watch it when i finish work, my brother will watch it when he finishes work, my sister will watch it when she can etc etc so it will end up being viewed about 4 times. Then theres the hassle of having to find it on the tape each time.


    4. Cross compatibility is important for home movies that you want to share with relations abroad. Obviously these are usually taken on digital video, so transfer to DVD makes sense, and costs less to send overseas.

    Agree on that.


    5. Wipe out VCR's for good? I don't think so. Have a look at the figures on VCR usage.

    Well yeah, obviously the figures for VCR usage will be high, becuase they have been around for almost half a century so everyones got one. Durrr. Figures for audio tape usage were quite high at one point as well, but it still got wiped out once CD's got established.


    6. They are primarily used to record off air and play prerecorded films. Neither of which requires a DVD-R.

    Record off air, yes. But from personal experiance i know how much more easier it is recording something onto a DVD recorder compared to a VCR, regardless of cost of media. And by watching prerecorded films, i assume you mean movies. Go to your local Blockbuster, stand there for one hour and see how many people take out films on DVD's as opposed to tape. I haven't watched a film on tape myself for about 4 years. For films its more important now to have a DVD player rather then VCR, becuase the latest titles are mostly on DVD. And if you mean family footage when you say prercorded films, then again it makes sense to record and keep them on a DVD rather then tape. We had about 20 tapes of family footage, which we transferred to DVD when we got the dvd recorder. At least we know now that they are going to still be the same quality in 30 years time when the grandkids are watching it.

    7. DVD-R on its own is not a replacement for a VCR, as you they are not easy to use yet, and have on going running costs on media.

    I think it is. Just like audio tapes, the main reason people still have VCR's is to play back old tapes that they have already got. Just like people still buy record decks becuase they have old albums on record and need something to play them back. And DVD'rs are easy to use as well, and much easier to navigate around the recordings compared to tape, but this bit is i suppose down to personal opinion. Some people may find it difficult, some not. Again VCR's have been around for almost 50 years (i think), so obviously people will be used to using them. DVD'rs have only been out recently, it takes time for people to get used to the technology. Also 50p for a DVD-R which will give you upto 4 hours recording isn't exactly expensive, only a little bit more then tapes.


    8. Sky+ will wipe out VCR's once they have a built in DVD recorder.

    Agree with that, Sky+ with a DVD recorder built in is the perfect combination.


    9. I'm not disputing how many idiots are being sucked into the propaganda, but they are not throwing their VCR's in the skip as a result.

    I don't think they are idiots at all, its funny how its always the same old people on here who think they know best and everyone who doesn't agree are idiots. And the reason they are not throwing their VCR's in the skip is not becuase they want to use them to watch the latest movies or record off, its becuase through years of VCR use they have a number of tapes which they need a VCR to playback. Nobody is buying a VCR becuase its better/cheaper/better quality then a DVD recorder, its simply to play back old tapes.


    10. Maybe the 15:1 ratio of DVD-R to VCR sales has something to do with the fact that everyone has a VCR so are unlikely to buy another. Durrrrr!

    And obviously they are all idiots becuase they don't have the knowledge you do.
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    I do not want to start a fight over what i have to say as this is just personal opinion here but i do feel that VCR is on the way out, people had the same reservations about CDs replacing tapes but its more or less happened now thanks mainly to the fact that cd recorders became cheap and viable along with the media.
    DVD will eventually replace VHS, just like most analogue transmissions and media will eventually be replaced by their digital counterparts.
    When we only had terrestrial tv being viewed through a coat hanger plugged into the back of the tv set then i think there was no reason to want any better quality than what (S)VHS had to offer. Now, with the popularity of DVD movies, digital broadcasts and Sky etc people will naturally want better copies. Its only a matter of time but it will happen.
    Digital technology is improving on a daily basis, they are already talking about the replacement for DVD (Blueray) and may be in 10 years time everyone will be having this same conversation about what is better DVD or ???
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    One thing i have found with DVD is the care taken in the manufacturing process has a lot to do with the life time of a disc. Pimp made a comment about discs costing 50p, i know you can get them at 50p and even cheaper if you look around. What you will find is that may be 1 in 4 of these discs wont last more than a year or will not work from the minute you put it into your recorder. When not enough care is taken in the manufactureing process you run the risk of the layers in the disc splitting due to oxidisation (I think) which makes the disc look like it is corroding.

    I bought an ex rentalcopy of tomorrow never dies from blockbuster, a few months later and the back of the disk had corroded really badly making the disc unusable.
    You pay for what you get with DVD disc. Branded discs cost more because more care is taken in the manufacturing process.

    Be warned when buying exrental from blockbuster or cheap 10p - 50p discs, they have a habit of corroding after about a year.

    I would also be weary about archiving important data onto cheap DVD disks.
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    yeah that is true, i have brought many cheap cdr's to make music cd's and they start corroding and peeling after a while. But what im saying is that for most of the time, the 50p dvd's will be fine for everyday use, becuase you are not likely to record something you will want to watch more then a few times. But obviously for the times that you do, you can use a better quality dvd-r.
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    pimp said "I have never seen a recording on any £50 VCR that is as good as the original broadcast"
    As I made clear before you kindly edited it out, I was talking about SVHS which you can't get for £50. SVHS is certainly broadcast quality, and they don't deteriorate if looked after.

    pimp said: "But how on earth are tapes MORE re-recordable? You can record on a RW many times before it will start to loose quality, whereas a tape will bite the dust after a few recordings."
    Have you ever visited planet earth Mr Pimp? VCR tapes pretty much last forever, quality will eventually drop off but they'll still work. My point about DVD-RW is that the technology literally has a finite life, about 10-20 recordings (depending on manufacturer), after that the disc will NOT work, full stop, chuck it away.

    pimp said "Well yeah, obviously the figures for VCR usage will be high, because they have been around for almost half a century so everyones got one. Durrr. Figures for audio tape usage were quite high at one point as well, but it still got wiped out once CD's got established."
    Again try reading all the words in the sentence, video usage refers to how people currently use VCR's i.e. do they use them to watch eastenders, or do they use them to watch pre-recorded rental tapes, home movies etc.

    Will people stop comparing DVD & video to CD's & vinyl/audio tape. The reason CD's took off was not primarily because of the digital quality in fact most audiophiles still argue the quality is not as good.
    CD's took off because you can skip to the track you want instantly, something people saw a real benefit from.
    With video/DVD the need to skip quickly to a particular part of the tape/disc is not as important (apart from porn obviously).
    They are idiots because they believe they need this technology. I know many people who have bought DVD-R and have hardly ever use it (and still have a VCR).
    I similarly know many people who have Sky+ and use it every day.
    Ask yourself "what am I actually going to use this recorder for?" If it is to record off air then get Sky+, it is so easy to use, 3 button presses fom a single remote and the thing will record the right channel at the right time, and you can find it instantly without getting off the sofa.
    Buy a DVD-R and you can only record what is on the screen, you can't watch Sky movies and record Sky sports.
    DVD-R has its use but it is not a replacement for a VCR.
    Just my opinion, with some real facts mixed in. Go and buy what you want I really don't care, but do it with your eyes open, not just because the sales guy says it's the latest thing and no one uses video's anymore.
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    Andy is it your time of the month ?

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    I think he just has a problem with people dissagreeing with him.
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    So basicly i should have just kept my mouth shut ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif
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    You'll know when it's my time of the month. I thought that was quite soft considering the naivity of the response.
    I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me as long as they can put a coherent argument together supporting their point of view. Pimp, once again you just have an opinion on something and have no facts to back it up. This is fine when it is a question of taste or style( like the infamous spinner thread), but when it is a factual argument on technology you need to do a bit more homework rather than just making stuff up.
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    Well i believe VHS will be extinct by 2010. It has served its purpose and was good at what it did but with cutting edge technologies readily available and becoming more cost affordable to Mr Joe Public every year, it wont take long before it goes just like the old beta max media and 8 track tapes. One thing you cant fight and thats innovation through technology.
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    Andy, and where are your facts???
    "My point about DVD-RW is that the technology literally has a finite life, about 10-20 recordings (depending on manufacturer), after that the disc will NOT work, full stop, chuck it away." ??????? So where is that fact from? I have many cd's/dvd's that have been used well over that and are still fine. And are you telling me that a normal tape will still be usable after 10-20 recordings? i don't think so. Most tapes become useless after only a few recordings. And the quality of the tapes will drop off, but it will still work. What??? Thats ok then? as long as it still plays and vagualy displays a picture with about a million lines across it? If thats fine by you, then cool. I know i wouldn't like it. And why would anyone want to watch a movie on video tape when they can watch it on dvd? Why would you want to record 5+ programs on video, then have to spend about 10 minutes forwarding/rewinding to get to the right bit of the tape when u can do it in 10 seconds on a dvd recorder?

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    Totally agree, can't believe it's taken 20 years, but it won't be DVD-R that supercedes it. With Sky+, broadband getting wider every month and pay per view developments (more choice) the need to use any form of media associated with home entertainment just won't be needed by 2010. It will become inherently disposable (just like music is now).
    Just like to point out as well that regardless of all the supposed innovation in TV we are still using the same system that was devised over 50 years ago, i.e. 625 line analogue PAL system. Either shows how good it was or how slow these things move. Some home cinema enthusiasts swear by the old Phillips laserdisc (big 12 inch CD) developed back in the 70's for better picture quality than DVD (something to do with it being stored in analogue rather than highly compressed digital).
    Roll on HDTV, this will be a real improvement in home entertainment whenever it gets here.
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    And according to you, the following people are idiots becuase they have foolishly fallen for the hype and purchased themselves a DVD recorder:

    Myself
    My parents
    Fallmonk
    CJ B6 2.0
    s4ash

    And probably many more people. But netherless, i forgive you, as i'm sure your right and VCR is the way forward. Have you seen the latest VCR's? Absoulutly amazing how fast technology moves. They even have video plus on them.

    PS, on a sidenote, i'm currently on the lookout for a record player, and original sony walkman, to play my old collections on. if anyone can help, please let me know.
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    Taking the p*ss, so much easier than constructing a logical argument. Seems to be your specialty.
    As I have said repeatedly in this post, Sky+ is a far better investment than a DVD-R. As retailers don't sell them then of course they will promote DVD-R as the next big thing.
    Sorry if you couldn't work that one out for yourself.
    Watching movies on DVD is great, but we were talking about recording on DVD.
    My facts about DVD-RW are based on the published specifications for the media. If you buy cheap media, and fill up the whole disc 20 times it will then start to become unreliable. Your experience is probably based on recording but not filling the disc up. Each time you re-record you lose capacity.
    As I've said repeatedly I'm obviously not promoting VCR's as the way forward (I have Sky+, but still have a VCR), just stating that DVD-R is a poor alternative to Tivo or Sky+.
    Pimp, you were the one that started slagging off VCR's. I don't know where you buy your tapes but I use a couple of 4 hour tapes for unimportant stuff which I don't want to keep and these have been going for at least 2 years repeatedly re-recording over & over.
    I just hate it when large global corporations try to blackmail people into buying up the huge DVD-R mountain that they can't shift.
    My hope is that broadband and Sky+ will merge so that you can share your Sky+ store to friends and family without the need to use media in between. HP have a new device called a media centre, which is esentially a home PC/Sky+/broadband router/HiFi/Surround sound procesor/digital media hub all in one unit. This makes sense to me. Burning it onto a disc to then just replay it back once or twice is an unnecessary step, coupled with ensuring that Sky will autoview the right program, and that somebody won't override it and switch channels half way through. Thought innovation was to make things simpler not more convoluted.
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    Im actually selling my Recordable DVD Recorder and on the look out for a state of the art reel player with film strip. NICE!
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    LOL, this reminds me of that video tape advert of yesteryear, with a skeleton promoting a certain brand of videotapes singing 'Re-record not fade away, Re-record not fade away'
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    hahaha yeah i remember that... quite a funny advert! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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    Im getting a modded Sky+ box not a DVD recorder Pimp. Anyway TBH i think DVD recorders are just a stepping stone to convergance (sp??) devices that incorporate PC, PVR, games console and media player all in one. That is the way technology is heading. Also with the advent of Windows Media Centre 2005 it makes its possible for you to make your own one, thats what i may do. Dismatle the Sky+ box and somehow incorporate it into a case along with some other PC parts to make my own convergance device. Something to do in the evenings i suppose.
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    Basically once our broadband situation is up to speed here we will go the same way as America well New York anyhow. Basically viewing on demand so u can watch anything u want at anytime and it all comes from there massive Database store so if u have missed something its always there u just access it and hey presto its there for your viewing entertainment.
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    svhs cannot possibly be broadcast quality- unless the program was run from an svhs tape!!!!
    dvd/r (+/-) is far far far far far far superior. it is a digital copy of the original source. the only loss of signal or quality will come from digital to analogue converters which is bugger all. if you have a small tv then you will not notice the difference as much. dvd recorders are "hype" and not worth it, keep your vcr then. don't put chapters in your recordings for easy access, be happy to spend 2 hours editing out ads or unwanted goodies. but most of all make sure you take your "hi-8" video camera around to your mates house so you can film your mate laugh when you say "here chap, i've got that classic 1978 FA cup final that you wanted to see, where's your vcr!"
    really.... do you use cassettes to record your mp3's
    who the hell wants to sit in an uncomfortable computer chair to record off an extremely cheap sky box which will not output anywhere near the quality of audio or video that the average dvd/r will
    dvd/r is not even the future anymore, it's the present
    at the end of the day, a designated specialised product will always produce a superior outcome.
    by the way, i haven't watched an anologue 625 line broadcast for about 2 years
    and i live in australia (no mate we are not a convict colony anymore)
    nuff said
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    [Jan 24, 2005]
    I love any thread the pimp comments own. can we start a fan club /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

    Back to original question.

    IMHO
    Dont buy a dvd-recorder.
    Reasons:
    1)The discs are too fragile in my opinion to be something you'd use a lot and lend to mates.
    2) Adopting new standards can be an expensive and sometimes useless process (anybody want a portable md player and standalone unit combined cost £750.; Few years old - little use!)
    3) VHS works
    4) If you want to copy DVD's - you wont be able to as unit will have copy protection - plus you could get a computer with DVD-writer.


    Solutions
    1) Sky +
    2) VHS
    3) What i am going towards - You could build a PC entertainment system for around £350 - which would have the ability to play mp3's, wmas, Divx, XVid movies, etc on to your TV. Also it could record to Hard Disk then compress and burn to DVD if you needed to. You can get a remote control. but most importantly its upgradeable to whatever the next format comes out. KVCD anyone?
    (I currently use a video recorder and modded xbox)

    Cheers
    Ian
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    every format you just mentioned involves compression, and lots of it, thats great but what about quality. it may look good on an old 68cm tv, but on anything bigger, no way.
    i hope your pc is in your loungeroom
    i will admit, these methods are "good". but they are not fantastic.
    an xbox was designed to play games, they are so very terrible at dvd and cd playback.
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    Is anyone recommending a decent recorder for the guy who started the post or is it now a debate on the pros and cons of VHS Vs DVDR?. Sky + is fantastic and since I had it installed last year my VCR found a new home in the cellar. Cant wait till they start with the high definition broadcasts.I don't have a DVD recorder so cant recommend one but if you head over to www.avtalk.co.uk the forums on there will present all the info you need.They are also pretty helpful for helping out if you don't know what your looking for.
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    My Company is the largest UK distributor for DVD Recorders we supply all Major retail - By far the best DVD recorder on the market is the Liteon LVW 5002 which is available in Argos for 129.99 - Liteon are one of the worlds largest manufacturers and DVD Drives - both PC and Home - they make product for some other A brands - Any more questions pleasse feel free to ask me -

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    Smudge,

    I see they do the 5005 for £149.99. Is this a newer model and better or are you better sticking with the 5002? I see as well is says Region 2 coding, can they be programmed for region free ?

    Cheers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ok.gif
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    I've got Sky + for general recording & playback and a multi-region Panasonic DMR-E50 for viewing DVDs & making the occasional permanent copy. Both are connected via QED scart leads. The Sky + box is also connected to three others TVs around the house.

    I find they're all I need & the quality of both is excellent.
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    no backward technology here mate, we have had hdtv for over three years now and also the necessary hardware to copy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!once again, i make the comment, compressed information is terrible, i see it every day, there is no comparison.
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