1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Quattro...... or not?!

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by JCC1981, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. IanL-S3
    Offline

    IanL-S3 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    923
    Likes Received:
    0
    [Jan 3, 2005]
    Hi
    Read this article
    http://www.tyresmoke.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=1,2,12,15,22,25,26,27,3&Board=a3&Number=281534&Searchpage=2&Main=278330&Words=tyres&topic=&Search=true#Post281534

    Pretty detailed on the haldex system. Its basically a thread on quattro v 1.8T

    Cheers
    Ian
    (ps you will probably have to copy and paste the link as its pretty long.)
    #41
  2. dickys3
    Offline

    dickys3 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    2,955
    Likes Received:
    1
    [Jan 3, 2005]
    [ QUOTE ]
    Ian Logendra said:
    Yaaay after 180 posts somebody has found one of my posts useful /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Although it was only a link to another forum /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
    NY Resolution - must try harder /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Great car - take it for a drive and feel the quality. It feels like a much bigger car on the motorway. Rock solid. And it pretty nippy too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Have fun!!

    [/ QUOTE ]

    /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif

    I'm still waiting after 1500+ posts for someone to say that I've been helpful! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    Rich.
    #42
  3. IanL-S3
    Offline

    IanL-S3 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    923
    Likes Received:
    0
    [Jan 3, 2005]
    LOL @ DickyS3 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif
    #43
  4. jojo
    Offline

    jojo Looking for Boost! Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2003
    Messages:
    26,700
    Likes Received:
    2,009
    [Jan 3, 2005]
    [ QUOTE ]
    DickyS3 said:
    [ QUOTE ]
    Ian Logendra said:
    Yaaay after 180 posts somebody has found one of my posts useful /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Although it was only a link to another forum /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
    NY Resolution - must try harder /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Great car - take it for a drive and feel the quality. It feels like a much bigger car on the motorway. Rock solid. And it pretty nippy too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Have fun!!

    [/ QUOTE ]

    /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif

    I'm still waiting after 1500+ posts for someone to say that I've been helpful! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    Rich.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    That was a really helpful post Rich /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
    #44
  5. dickys3
    Offline

    dickys3 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    2,955
    Likes Received:
    1
    [Jan 4, 2005]
    [ QUOTE ]
    jojo said:
    [ QUOTE ]
    DickyS3 said:
    [ QUOTE ]
    Ian Logendra said:
    Yaaay after 180 posts somebody has found one of my posts useful /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Although it was only a link to another forum /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
    NY Resolution - must try harder /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Great car - take it for a drive and feel the quality. It feels like a much bigger car on the motorway. Rock solid. And it pretty nippy too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Have fun!!

    [/ QUOTE ]

    /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif

    I'm still waiting after 1500+ posts for someone to say that I've been helpful! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    Rich.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    That was a really helpful post Rich /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

    [/ QUOTE ]

    /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    #45
  6. rickquattro
    Offline

    rickquattro Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2003
    Messages:
    589
    Likes Received:
    0
    [Jan 4, 2005]
    [ QUOTE ]
    Markb said:
    [ QUOTE ]
    Rickquattro said:
    Or buy a Tdi 130 Q and chip it.......



    [/ QUOTE ]

    Is that for real? 800 miles /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Sorry to go back a bit, just back off my holidays.the display was showing 800miles as I pulled on to the autobahn, just after filling up. Its for real, not photoshopped. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
    #46
  7. A4Andy
    Offline

    A4Andy Quattro-tastic. Not half.

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    459
    Likes Received:
    0
    [Apr 25, 2007]
    It's not real Quatrro on anything below an A4... and I'll keep saying that until the cows come home.
    #47
  8. Prawn
    Offline

    Prawn My other car is a MINI!!!!

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2006
    Messages:
    9,862
    Likes Received:
    1,555
    [Apr 25, 2007]
    nice two year bump there andy! :icon_thumright:
    #48
  9. Tooks
    Offline

    Tooks Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2006
    Messages:
    753
    Likes Received:
    29
    [Apr 25, 2007]
    Would you just get the gate for the cows then Andy, they're ready for bed!!

    I get tired of reading 'it's not proper quattro unless it's Torsen' style rubbish! The Haldex system has been used on everything up to 600bhp+ rally-cross cars. It's a flexible and low-cost solution to what most road cars need, ie not full time 4WD, but one that adapts to given situations and can save fuel when it's not needed.

    It's DIFFERENT, yes, but the haldex system is still four wheel drive, it works, and quattro is just the brandname amyway.

    If Audi call it a quattro, then it is, surely?!
    #49
  10. A4Andy
    Offline

    A4Andy Quattro-tastic. Not half.

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    459
    Likes Received:
    0
    [Apr 30, 2007]
    Call it Quattro if you like, but you can't polish a turd.

    The Quattro system has a Torsen dif and splits the drive 50/50 during normal driving conditions, the RS models are 40/60.

    Haldex driven systems are good, but they're not at the same level as fully fledged Quattro.
    #50
  11. simch
    Offline

    simch Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    2,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    [Apr 30, 2007]
    FWD can be made to easily outhandle the quattro models but will never have the off the line traction of 4wd.
    My mk4 golf hase the basic same spec as my s3 for uprated suspension componenets and will run rings around the s3. The s3 has off the line traction and wet traction, but it understeers more in the dry and the wet and you just cannot pointit where you want it like the mk4 .. Its down to weight and the rear suspension difference i think. The "live" rear beam in the golf, (and fwd a3) whilst rater crude in design, really really works once you stick a huge rear arb on and some stiffer dampers.
    The s3 handles far better with similar set up as stock, but it just too heavy by comparison to be as sprightly. Front grip on my mk4 under all circumstances is soo much better, its hard to see why. I can only assume weight is the issue..?

    BUT having said all that, the 4wd version as stock will handle better, just because the power is shared between two axles and hence in the wet especially it wont understeer as much.

    So I reckon if you want to have a fun great handling car, go for the 18ts and get a nice non coilover suspension kit and big hoofin rear arb!
    If you want a stock car, the quattro will be better but as you mention potentially more pricey to run and less rewarding if you do tweak the chassis.
    #51
  12. Jampublic
    Offline

    Jampublic Taking it easy..

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    10
    [Apr 30, 2007]
    Go Quattro, just do it! :icon_thumright:

    You will love the grip you get from the quattro, drive hard whether is wet or dry! And you know if you chip a 130 Tdi Q, you will have a S3 beater! ( i believe this has come up before! lol ) :sorry:

    Opps didn't see the 2nd page! :faint:
    #52
  13. theitalian3
    Offline

    theitalian3 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2006
    Messages:
    114
    Likes Received:
    3
    [Apr 30, 2007]
    dont really agree with much of that to be honest

    bose sound system is great, dont know what problems youve had with it but mine sounds really clear and powerful

    quattro mpg is above 30 on a good day. for the first few months i didnt realise this cos i was driving rather excessively everywhere, but i did a round trip of 350 miles to manchester last week and got an average of over 30 mpg

    i agree with the rest though

    i wouldn't change the 4wd for anything, best feeling ever pulling off the line with 4 wheels and not 2, iv driven both and wouldnt change for love nor money
    #53
  14. buckas
    Offline

    buckas Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2006
    Messages:
    749
    Likes Received:
    2
    [Apr 30, 2007]
    quattro all the way!! own a nice and rare car, not a common old fwd 1.8t ;) LOL

    it being rarer will take you a while to find one through the audi network though, took me two months finding a good one!
    #54
  15. Tooks
    Offline

    Tooks Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2006
    Messages:
    753
    Likes Received:
    29
    [Apr 30, 2007]
    And that's a good thing because?....

    The A4 quattros nemesis all through it's life up until the new RS4 was of course the 3 series BMW, and that was generally accepted as a better handling car than anything Audi had made since the Urquattro. So, its 'proper' 4WD system wasn't much of a help there was it...

    The point is, you're not comparing apples with apples here. The A4 and A3/S3 have very different packaging requirements, and as good as the Torsen system is (and I'm not saying it's rubbish at all, or a turd...), it just wouldn't be practical on a car the size of the A3/Golf.

    For most people in most situations and with all the compromises that a road car has to fit within, then the haldex system that isn't sensitive to different tyre wear/tyre sizes, practically disengages when not needed to save fuel and wear and tear on the transmission, but that activates when required seems like a good solution to me, if not you!

    Both systems do a job, but overall I think it's good we have a choice. My Dad used to be a quattro Torsen snob too, but when we both left a snowy Keldy Forest after a family holiday a couple of months back, and I went everywhere he went in his A4 Avant quattro, he had to admit all his jokes along the lines of 'you'll be needing a tow then son' fell a bit flat.
    #55

Share This Page