excellent mate thanks, that second pic is about spot on for colour nice and deep black,like you say about losing the weave.. i think in the flesh from about 6 feet away the weave would be difficult to pick out and start to appear the closer you got depending on light conditions which is how i would want it. All i have to do now is negotiate a really good price by organising some repeat business for them and we're on. thanks for your work your a clever fellow.