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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Just Plain Old, Jan 28, 2007.

  1. Just Plain Old

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    I thought halal meat was already labelled as such?
     
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    I'm guessing some more anti islamic sentiment here.

    There are some real gems on this petitions site.

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    Ban Sharia Law.
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    make Portsmouth the capital of England.
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    Introduce a 99p coin.
     
  5. Caesium

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    I don't care what anyone says, slitting the throat of any animal is not a humane way of killing it, it would take a couple of minutes to die.
     
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    It's not just islam that have Halal meat, the jews also slaughter animals in the same way. Why does everyone think as soon as someone opposes ANYTHING that even remotely relates to islam then they are anti islamic, STOP CREATING SOMETHING WHERE THERE IS NOTHING FFS!
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and this petition is not taking a poke at anyone.
    Also:
    Sharia law is fine in the country in which it originated.
    There is a fine associated with driving with foglights on and it costs 35 quid.
     
  7. Beerzo

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    The animal will not really know what has happend, it will bleed do death in a matter of seconds and it will pass out almost instantly.

    Although I will need to read up on this Kosure (spelling) food and see what its all about. I dont see the difference between one piece of meat and another and I certainly wouldnt be able to taste any difference as to how the animal was slaughterd
     
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    You should be able to taste the difference, I was told yesterday (by my G/F) that when meat is bled its flavour is different to conventionally killed meat, this is due to an acid in the blood which flavours the meat fibres, when the meat is bled this is not present so the meat is seasoned.

    Pre-seasoned kosher/bled meat is apparently tastless. (i can't comment personally because I have never eaten it because i don't agree with the method of killing) but it is written in a heath book my girlfriend is reading.

    As for the animal dying quickly, tell that to Ken Bigley, I was sent the video of him having his throat slit, he didn't seem to die quickly or painlessly.
     
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    I work at Brunel University in Uxbridge, all meat served in the canteen is now Halal (apart from Bacon, Sausages and Pork).
    The only difference I can tell is a little sign next to the name on the board.
     
  10. Beerzo

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    Think it was a bit different here, he was having his head cut off not choped with a large knife. From the back of the neck to the front so yes that would take longer. If you cut the throat of any animal you will sever the main artery coming from the heart. This would bring death in seconds
     
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    Clearly you haven't seen the video then, or the others. They have their thoats slit, you can hear the sucking of air through his windpipe. I agree Ken Bigley was horiffic, but the executioner seemed to get a bit more efficient at slitting the more he did, some of the vis showed the throat slit quick.

    I have heard stories of when people had their heads cut OFF on the guillotine the eyes and mouth of the head would still move, the eyes would look around.

    Slitting a throat does not give instant death I don't care what anyone says.
    I think the only way you could have instant painless death was to be electocuted with a massive voltage or crushed to death by a massive weight.
    A guy at a HV training course I attended said he saw a guy get vapourised by a 10,000v cable short, i'm sure he didn't feel much.
     
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    I must have seen one of the other horrific videos.Yeah herd the guillotine thing before. They say that the person would have enough time to comprehend for a split second what had happend and then would be dead. The eyes moving and stuff they say is nerve impulses.

    I would agree there are better ways to kill animals but religon is religon and it is followed in many different weird and wonderfull ways. Think this is just one of these things that aint gonna change.
     
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    Yup i'll agree with you there. I know people have to eat but I still think following a 1000 (or wotever it is) year old book/law when there are better modern methods is crazy!

    All religion is nuts.
     
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    What makes you think it 'aint gonna change'?

    Personally I think it is inhumane. BUT, the main problem I have is with the obvious 'double standards'............. Why, in a secular society, should any group, or groups, be exempt from the law of the land??
     
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    What specific law?
     
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    I believe the Law of the land requires that animals are stunned, before they have their throats slit......!!
     
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    In UK law there are religious exceptions.
    http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/farmed/slaughter.htm

    I agree there should not be a double standard, technically I think we are CofE not secular.

    My beliefs are as follows:
    All religions are made up by men to control their respective societies, just like our laws are now.
    Most religious rules would have also been followed by an atheist intellectual at inception.
    It was easier to say at inception 'because god says so' than to justify with scientific reasoning to someone with a very limited or complete lack of education.
    Advancements in science negate the need now for most religious rules, the practice of halal meat being one of them.
    That is of course until people start to drop dead left, right and centre from Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
     
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    the whole point of halah food is that the animal is killed in a humane way...im no expert on the issue but from what ive read, heard its done via a single slit of the jugular vein which instantly kills the animal.....
     
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    I'm afraid what you've heard is WRONG!


    NEiLS3LK51

    A secular society, means that Religion and the State (Government) are seperate, not that we don't have an 'official' Religion, as such!

    With the recent ruling by the current Dictatorship that the Church is NOT allowed a Religious 'opt-out' of the Gay adoption laws,,,,,, it makes the current Religious opt-out for Halah meat even more hypocritical........
     

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