I doubt that any of you will be happy with what I'm about to say but has anyone considered a Passat W8 4motion. Out of curiosity I had a look on Auto trader and for 50k 5yr old A4 2.8Q money you can get a mint 2yr old 25k Passat fully loaded with all the toys. Its got an eight cylinder, 4-litre engine and produces 275bhp!! What a Q car. When in later life it comes to houses and women cars tend to take second place and this is when that Passat becomes cheaper, better sounding, more powerfull and very tempting alternative. Shame it's a V-dub.