[ Warning, long post, take caffine now ] /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Before I begin, Jo/Jon, sorry to hear about your cars. I wasn't going to post this, but after reading what happened to you and what happened today, I've gone over the edge. Remember, my car is less than two months old! Started two weeks ago with ICE fitting. First they "forgot" to fit the rear speakers (just as well, turns out it's the fronts I should be changing). Then I get back to work to find a scratch, through to the metal at places. Most pissed off I hurry back before they shut. Accepts blame, offers to pay for re-spray of wing, ok, fair enough, but still annoyed. Today (while sub fitting) I discover that the head unit hasn't been connected to the battery or an ignition feed. It's a 4x60 Alpine unit and it states explicity DO NOT CONNECT BEHIND DASHBOARD. Guess where it's connected. So much for proffessional ICE fitting. Never again.