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Newbie question on 300bhp S3 (sorry)

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    [Oct 18, 2005]
    Hi,
    I have had my S3 a while and its re-mapped with sebring exhaust.

    I really want a more power but do not want to pay 6k for some mentioned turbo conversions!!!!

    Any ideas as i can not believe its that exspensive to get a lerger or hybrid turbo??

    Thanks and sorry if its all been covered b4

    Nick
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    Hi,

    See this post!

    There is only one hybrid turbo available for the S3, and the results are not really that well known yet. There are slowly more options coming available, and means getting cheaper, but its still not cheap! The problem is that Its never just a simple case of swapping th turbo! Lots more is necessary!

    Rich
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    [Oct 18, 2005]
    Rich,
    Thanks for the info.
    I heard jbs do a gt turbo conversion?
    What is the cost of a hybrid turbo anyway? 4k?

    Thanks
    Nick
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    Yeah JBS do GT28RS.

    Im not sure what a hybrid costs... not that much though. Speak to S3mon
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    what about the k04/k24 hybrid should deliver more power good top end and little lag thats what i will be looking at sounds awesome few vehicles have them they're testing in the usa your looking at $1k to $1.5k its bolt on but recomend things like manifold are atleast ported and fmic to get best out of it,

    its worth a look i think
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    You won't get a sustainable 300bhp from a KO4. It may get there but it is on the absolute limit.

    I am at the "put your money where your mouth is" stage for a BT conversion on an A4. I had the same response to the Jabba and AmD quotes of £4k for a 300ish bhp conversion.

    do your homework, there is plenty on the web, I have spent the last 12 months finding the right car, turbo and parts and someone to do a custom map.
    I have the following specced out, some bought, some being picked up on a trip to the US in Jan

    Turbo (IHI VF34, 565cc injectors, high flow pump - £600 (US)
    Intercooler - £TBC £400max (custom spec 750x200x86mm core)
    Milltek turbo back Exhaust and HF CAT - £100 (bought 2nd hand on Ebay!)
    Custom Manifold and downpipe - £200 (US) (this was major ballache as there is currently no IHI compatible manifold for a longitudinal engine, plenty of Garrett ones though!)
    S4 Bumper - £150 (bit of a tart!, actually much more compatible with a FMIC)
    MRC Custom Remap - £500
    Pipework, ancillaries, oil cooler, induction - £100 (some bought)

    Little over £2000 all in.
    300-350bhp is conservative.
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    Custom Manifold for £200 won't be that good then.Last time i looked vf34's were £600 to uk,injectors £200,pump £80.It will cost nearer £3k in the end and you have to fit yourself.BT's don't come cheap.
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    [Dec 8, 2005]
    It is not a dream shopping list. I have most of it already,
    2 seconds on ebay and I can find the same deal

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8005830047&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

    $500 buys you alot in the US, why pay £600 for a cutom job here...thats just nuts.

    Even at £3k, I am still more than a grand in pocket compared to a jabba or AmD "deal".,,,,and why wouldn't I fit it myself, its all bolt on stuf, you pay the moeny for the hardware and the software.

    Have some faith
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    You can things so much cheaper if you get the bits yourself... If i were doing it again, i would probably save myself around £2k!
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    Those are not bosch injectors and cannot be mapped with stock ecu.I wouldn't use a SS manifold as it will crack and the design would have to be good,ie not the ATP one.I don't believe you can get a decent manifold and downpipe for £200.Show me the link.Good luck to you but i don't think it will happen for less than 4k.
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    ah there you go again.....lot of negative vibes on this forum....; )

    Have some faith brother
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    [Dec 10, 2005]
    No bad vibes here mate.If i was doing it on the cheap,i would buy jabba manifold,ihi and injectors from states ,get custom lines and pipes made here.Get your sports cat,exhaust locally
    £550 manifold
    £600 turbo and injectors
    £80 Fuel pump
    £50 Maf
    £140 lines and feeds/fittings
    £100 Custom pipework
    £750 Exhaust and sports cat
    £200 Custom Downpipe
    £60 Plugs/oil filter
    £110 panel filter/Dv/enlarged feed
    £500 MRC Remap(if this is true)..Jabba took days perfecting mine.(£1k+)
    Total £3,140 plus fitting.
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    No bad vibes here mate.If i was doing it on the cheap,i would buy jabba manifold,ihi and injectors from states ,get custom lines and pipes made here.Get your sports cat,exhaust locally
    £550 manifold
    £600 turbo and injectors
    £80 Fuel pump <font color="red">£40 from scrappy</font>
    £50 Maf<font color="red"> Why? </font>
    £140 lines and feeds/fittings <font color="red">£30 from local hydraulics specialist </font>
    £100 Custom pipework
    £750 Exhaust and sports cat
    £200 Custom Downpipe
    £60 Plugs/oil filter<font color="red">Standard plugs are fine and oil .etc doesnt come into it as standard service items.</font>
    £110 panel filter/Dv/enlarged feed
    £500 MRC Remap(if this is true)..Jabba took days perfecting mine.(£1k+)<font color="red">This is the issue... Mine was on the rollers for about 5 days! I believe CC are doing it for £850.</font>
    Total £3,140 plus fitting.



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    I reckon if the fitting is done by yourself (its a little awkward, but easy enough to do!) Then you could just squeeze it in for a little under £3500... Thats allowing a few £££ leeway. I think yo just need to shop around a bit , and you can drop the price considerably... Its still not cheap though...but worth it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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    First major flaw[ QUOTE ]
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    "i would buy jabba manifold" JABBA DONT DO AN IHI MANIFOLD FOR A B5 QUATTRO,ITS A LONGITUDINAL ENGINE. i MAY BE WRONG BUT NOONE DOES. iF THEY DO PLEASE TELL ME, I HAVE SPENT THE LAST 6 MONTHS LOOKING FOR ONE!

    £550 manifold -OK FOR A CAST MANI BUT WAY TOO MUCH FOR A S/S ONE (SEE ABOVE)
    £600 turbo and injectors
    £80 Fuel pump <font color="red">£40 from scrappy</font> MY DEAL INCLUDES PUMP AND INJECTORS FOR THE £600
    £50 Maf<font color="red"> Why? </font>
    £140 lines and feeds/fittings <font color="red">£30 from local hydraulics specialist </font>TURBO COMES WITH OIL LINES
    £750 Exhaust and sports cat GOT A FULL MILTEK SYSTEM INCLUDING HIGH FLOW CAT 2nd HAND FOR £100
    £200 Custom Downpipe WAY OVER PRICED FOR SOME PIPEWORK
    £500 MRC Remap(if this is true)..Jabba took days perfecting mine.(£1k+)<font color="red">This is the issue... Mine was on the rollers for about 5 days! I believe CC are doing it for £850.</font> DONT KNOW WHAT JABBA DO, CUSTOM MAP AT MRC IS £500. CHECK THE WEBSITE OR RING THEM IF YOU NEED CONFIRMATION.



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    I have no problem if you want to pay £4k to a Jabba or Star or whoever for a "all in" BT conversion package.
    I chose to shop around for my bits, fit them myself and chose a company that does a custom remap.
    I will have this completed at around the £2k mark. I have actually removed the i/c cost and fitting from the equation so it will be even less, this was not planned and I am not about to jinx it by being cocky, doesn't happen till next month.

    I am happy to update anyone who is interested in saving some major bucks but don't just disbelieve or criticise.
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    i'd definetly go for a new maf,there mostly knackered by the time you go for a BT(average 40k)
    I've also heard a rumour fuel pumps can start to lack performance after time so would get a new one to be safe.You would still need a discharge module or flange for downpipe and proper banjos/oil feed/return fittings still reckon your looking at £70 minimum.Obviously you would change the oil and plugs for safety.
    I agree with you James £850 minimum.
    So yep £3,500ish.Worth every penny!!

    I know that me and rich have lots of other goodies that have pushed the cost up further.
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    [ QUOTE ]
    First major flaw[ QUOTE ]
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    "i would buy jabba manifold" JABBA DONT DO AN IHI MANIFOLD FOR A B5 QUATTRO,ITS A LONGITUDINAL ENGINE. i MAY BE WRONG BUT NOONE DOES. iF THEY DO PLEASE TELL ME, I HAVE SPENT THE LAST 6 MONTHS LOOKING FOR ONE!

    £550 manifold -OK FOR A CAST MANI BUT WAY TOO MUCH FOR A S/S ONE (SEE ABOVE)
    £600 turbo and injectors
    £80 Fuel pump <font color="red">£40 from scrappy</font> MY DEAL INCLUDES PUMP AND INJECTORS FOR THE £600
    £50 Maf<font color="red"> Why? </font>
    £140 lines and feeds/fittings <font color="red">£30 from local hydraulics specialist </font>TURBO COMES WITH OIL LINES
    £750 Exhaust and sports cat GOT A FULL MILTEK SYSTEM INCLUDING HIGH FLOW CAT 2nd HAND FOR £100
    £200 Custom Downpipe WAY OVER PRICED FOR SOME PIPEWORK
    £500 MRC Remap(if this is true)..Jabba took days perfecting mine.(£1k+)<font color="red">This is the issue... Mine was on the rollers for about 5 days! I believe CC are doing it for £850.</font> DONT KNOW WHAT JABBA DO, CUSTOM MAP AT MRC IS £500. CHECK THE WEBSITE OR RING THEM IF YOU NEED CONFIRMATION.



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    I have no problem if you want to pay £4k to a Jabba or Star or whoever for a "all in" BT conversion package.
    I chose to shop around for my bits, fit them myself and chose a company that does a custom remap.
    I will have this completed at around the £2k mark. I have actually removed the i/c cost and fitting from the equation so it will be even less, this was not planned and I am not about to jinx it by being cocky, doesn't happen till next month.

    I am happy to update anyone who is interested in saving some major bucks but don't just disbelieve or criticise.

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    HJey im not criticising! Im all for saving £££ by doing the work yourself! I've heard great things about MRC, so the work should be top quality!

    Rich
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    i'd definetly go for a new maf,there mostly knackered by the time you go for a BT(average 40k)
    I've also heard a rumour fuel pumps can start to lack performance after time so would get a new one to be safe.You would still need a discharge module or flange for downpipe and proper banjos/oil feed/return fittings still reckon your looking at £70 minimum.Obviously you would change the oil and plugs for safety.
    I agree with you James £850 minimum.
    So yep £3,500ish.Worth every penny!!

    I know that me and rich have lots of other goodies that have pushed the cost up further.

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    Yeah i guess its probably safest to replace the maf in advance... Plugs and oil, well i guess it depends when it was done last! No realy need to do it though unless it needed doing anyway.

    EYah, the 'basic' cost of upgrade is just that...basic! When you add on al the other things that you either need or just compliment, it increases rapidly.

    My local hydraulics specialist is an aeroquip dealer and made me the hoses to my specification for very reasonable prices...

    Rich
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    [Dec 11, 2005]
    Your local hydraulics place sounds good.Still if your going this route you would still need flanges and gaskets which you would have to source from turbo suppliers.It can be done for cheaper but there are definite benefits to having a reputable company doing the work with any possible problems/warranty.

    Have pm'd you rich.
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    Hey jcb when you have had it mapped let me know how you get on.
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    yep as many updates as possible on this one JCB, I'm sure there are lots of others keeping quiet that would also like to know how you get on.

    Now what should I pick up in the states next year /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/idea.gif
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    my god, someone who sounds interested....
    Sorted the Intercooler problem. There is a shortage of FMIC choices for the A4. more on that later
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    There'll be plenty interested, just we're all quiet.

    Chris.
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