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new record power hybrid

TTE Si Jan 21, 2017

  1. TTE Si

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    NEW RECORD POWER FOR HYBRID TURBO ON THE 2.5TFSI??

    Dyno Result from the new 2.5TFSI TTE Hybrid Turbocharger (plug&play) due to release soon
    629PS 774Nm EWG
    Named now the 2.5tfsi TTE625 UPGRADE TURBOCHARGER
    Here is a comparison by MTR of a TTE500 car Vs Sören's RS3 8P TTE625. As you see perfect response not laggy like others big turbo solutions.


    Extra Special thanks to MTR Performance for custom mapping of the motor and dsg gearbox.
    Arlows for many parts. Wagner Tuning for there super EVO3 intercooler. Tij-Power for technical help and parts.

    Full Spec :
    TTE625 upgrade turbocharger (plug & play)
    Forged MAHLE Pistons 83.00 (stock CR)
    IE Forged rods
    IE valve springs
    Upgrade HPFP pump
    MTR performance water thermostat DSG:
    Series clutch
    Wagner evo3 Intercooler
    89mm intake TTE
    89mm exhaust
    Bill stone threaded chassis Webasto parking heater Evo5 +
    LEYO upgrade SUV
    TTE intake
    TTE pressure pipe
    ICE install
    102Ron Aral pump fuel
    1.95 to 1.82 bar boost

    Car is running a consistent 6.1- 6.2 100-200kmh Pbox screen times ! We will share corrected soon(issue recording DBN files tonight)

    #TTE625 #2.5TFSI #RS38P #MTR #WAGNER #ARLOWS #TIJPOWER #WORLDS #STRONGEST #HYBRIDS #TTEPOWER

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  2. TTE Si

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    Just been out and 100-200kmh timed our RS3 8P TTE625 MTR project
    6.01 seconds corrected.
    (over weight car)

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  3. bqik

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    Hello!

    You should post it also in the 8V RS3 section.

    Love the power delivery of your kit!

    regards!
     
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  4. george1980

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    or maybe not :) 2017-01-26-PHOTO-00017022.jpg 10302648_775826152441563_3449252978261994453_n.jpg
     
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  5. TTE Si

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    Nice one but this is a OEM Borgwarner Upgrade "HYBRID" turbo. Is yours not a Garrett GTX 3076R with water meth and at 2.2 BAR & 109 race fuel... :question: http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/unique-project-for-sale-644-hp-772-nm.309466/

    Yours looks more laggy if comparing but nice result. Any 100-200 time ?

    I feel we maybe could beat your numbers on 109 with this Hybrid

    Edit : (We are using the more accurate EEC-80-1269 EWG measurement not DIN 70020 like your dyno also I see. Figures would be higher with DIN ).
     
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  6. TTE Si

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    George1980 I will share a TTE1XXX RS3 Project soon if want to compare to that as will be more alike to your thing :yum:
     
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  7. bqik

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    wait...

    TTE1XXX RS3??????????????????????????

    I am excited to see the results!

    Can you give some info?

    thanks!
     
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  8. TTE Si

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    Will do this month ! :sunglasses:


    Just also a little thing I forgot to add too this RS3 8P TTE625 Hybrid thread is MTR did also report lack of fuel as the HPFP installed could not keep up so torque was capped. We are going to install bigger and test again
     
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  10. bqik

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    MMMMM please more info Simon!

    :sign wow:
     
  11. bqik

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    Simon wir mochten mehr information :)

    Simon we need more info :)

    thanks!
     
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    I need more info on the TTE11XX.

    I understand going the TTE500 - as we need minimal supporting mods. If im going to the trouble of building the engine - I might as well go for the TT11xx rather then the TTE625.

    Would love to see how they stack up and some numbers!!
     
  14. poverty

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    Gtx3576 and xona rotor are more responsive and spool quicker than this hybrid turbo on 99ron whilst making more power
     
  15. TTE Si

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    Let's be honest you Jason you are well known to hate hybrids and you troll all over social media. I don't really care about your negative thoughts tbh that's why I do block you as I just don't need it.

    But I know from the past your an ok guy lol

    It's not been tested on 99ron. Your claim is not proven as yet but in time we will see. The results we have seen are great in my opinion and by the scale of requests and positive comments, many think it's looking good also.

    Maybe you're right let's see
     
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  16. thesmileyone

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    What is it like on an otherwise standard car? I was doing some reading a while back about a guy who had loba 500p kit on his car...put it back to standard including putting the map back to standard, so totally standard except for the 500p turbocharger...he said it surprised him how great it performed on his TT RS with the standard map.
     
  17. poverty

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    My gtx3576 had peak torque at 3250rpm, ashleys ims730 on a 72lb/min turbo has peak torque around that rpm too.

    I dont mind hybrids, but you cant exactly throw out blanket statements like that and not expect someone to pipe up.

    Plus Chuck 102ron on my map and we could advance timing even more and spool even earlier.
     
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    Yeah just happened to be you piping up a... Blanket statement... You mean the fact its a record power for a hybrid as the question?


    All those figures you quote Jason are on race developments heavily modded motors with head work that's widely accepted has improved spool and one of the major selling points of Tim packages. I also don't believe you're peak torque quotes as I've seen Ashleys and seen it run times, id think you can add 500 rpm to that. Tims motors start at 10k £ I think right?

    Figures shared by me are on stock heads and just springs fitted not built by a motor specialist, but by the car owner

    Don't over estimate 102 as we and MRC have tested back to back the same car and very little in it.

    We will have real data, not your theories soon as MRC are mapping them on 99 and i will share for all to see.

    Do remember the results I shared was limited as i stated due to the HPFP not keeping up because it did spool so fast. It was the first prototype and test of the hybrid so i feel things can only improve as most all packages and even software does over time.

    I think to compare is like comparing apples and oranges.. both taste nice
     
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  19. TTE Si

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    Honestly no idea and id not recommend it really.
     
  20. poverty

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    It being a record or not is not the dispute.

    You said it outspools big turbo setups. Which is incorrect.

    My dyno sheet, peak torque at 3250rpm, ignore the torque spike of the boost hit. Map it for 102 and it would spool earlier and id have another 30hp on top.

    Each octane point accounts for 10-12hp on these motors with this turbo setup.

    Hybrid record it might be, but outspool a proper turbo kit sized for the same power level as your tte625 it does not. If i ran a EFR or xona id probably gain another 250rpm in spool.

    Ashleys car has peak torque at 3500rpm on a 720hp capable turbo. He ran out of fuel at 670hp and is running a safe 630hp on 99 ron till he upgrades his fuelling system.

     
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    And again your figures are on RD motors with head work.

    Ok let's change it too..Out spools many BT setups if on like for like setups. The quote proper turbo kit makes me laugh

    Your ideas on power to RON imo are wrong as I've seen data to say different.

    You can bang on about yours and Ashley figures but the actual performance on this Rs3 TTE625 is 6.0 corrected 100-200 and in over weight trim, this says the real performance.
    Put this same turbo on a lighter and more aero TTRS and we all know that 6.0 will drop deep into the 5's and go deep 10 sec in the 1/4 mile that's certain.

    TTRS TTE500 have gone 10 sec 1/4 mile at Santa pod



    RS3 TTE625 100-200 KMH (62-124MPH)


    RS3 TTE625 30-320+ KMH (18-198+MPH)


    Few videos there, please share yours and Ashley data as know you both have vbox and any videos to compare?
     
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  22. poverty

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    Why does a proper turbo kit make you laugh? It wasnt a reference to the TTE range, merely that those laggy BT setups you think of are poorly specced, like that so called 700hp rs3 on its oversized turbo getting shat on by stock bmw m6 v8tt's

    Gtx3576 on a dsg car does it in 5.6 secs
    Gtx3576 on a manual car does it in 5.8 secs

    Typically the extra weight of the rs3 over a ttrs adds 0.2 of a sec on a 100-200kmh run.

    99 ron no WMI.

    Is there vbox data on the 30-320kmh run? I find 100-200 data sample too small these days
     
  23. TTE Si

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    Made me laugh as I recall same stuff years ago when you was pro APR big turbo kits and I was selling 500 hybrids and it was said there's no way it can do 500 (I think Jonny) . But yeah I know what you mean turbos have evolved, BT and hybrids and long may it continue.

    You maybe forgotten but our dyno and data figures is using sport cat and stock airbox as car is fully legal for TUV. I do think the 630 it did will be beaten in uk as will the torque and spool possibly. Although temps will play a part. I did read MTR saying only few days ago that he mapped it safe too and more in it.

    The times you shared are not yours and Ashley's though a ?

    Not sure on data on the 320 run I think the Rs3 brick aero plays big part say too a TTRS at those speeds
     
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    Vbox my car now would be pointless as its no longer on a gtx3576.

    Those times however are from cars 100% identical spec to what I use to have though.

    At the end of the day like you have said everything has moved on and I hope TTE625 gets released for general sale soon as I have friends waiting on it, and it will be better when we all go across europe when they have that. Being outfront on your own gets boring lol
     
  25. TTE Si

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    Ok but you made that point few posts back on spool and I addressed... Its cool.

    But Jason, sorry but you're incorrect with your blanket statement (now removed)regarding shoe horning bigger wheel into a turbo and other points as if it was so simple and not efficient or effective to modify turbos. All turbos can be altered and may be improved, that's the case for factory race teams and motorsport, in general, you don't just pick a standard turbo one off the shelf in most part if you're serious. id say many world records and top performing Motorsport cars are from running modified custom turbos in one way or another to suit the application as said be it motorsport frame turbo or oem factory type. Remember we also do motorsport frame turbos not only as TTE but for others behind closed doors.

    Anyway let's wait on results from others



    Here is a statement from Tim only very recently in your owned FB group the owner of Race Delvelomenmts talking about his head work that you and Ashley have on your cars. As i said if true hardly comparable as do improve spool and if as stated a great deal to our stock head results but nevertheless interesting.


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    Heres hanks view on it:

    I would prefer to have Ashley's graph above IMS710 on 99 vs the Aral 102 TTE625. Same spool, more power, ball bearing cartridge for longevity and thrust loads, along with bigger A/R for lower EGTs. The 625 is certainly impressive, but this idea that Hybrid spool and response can't be achieved with modern, ball bearing turbos in proper full frame packages is completely false.


    Anyway did my first 100-200kmh run last night.

    640hp @ 1.5 bar boost
    Manual transmission
    99 ron v power no WMI.
    Raining and syvecs TC pulling engine torque to prevent wheelspin

    Did a 5.6 100-200kmh.

    Will do some runs in the dry when the ecu wont pull power and run my full fat antilag map too, and perhaps try it with rolling boost also. Looking like I could do a anywhere between a 5.2 and 5.4 in the right conditions.

    Not bad for a 640hp manual car. 4.x on the table for sure once i get a better intercooler and we boost it over 2 bar
     
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    Thanks for sharing Hanks view and yes he would prefer his own turbo kit sure, he's made his views clear on social media. He has got some nice kits.

    Your first run yeah ! wow that good you used your vbox

    5.6 is a nice time enjoy
     
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    Davids G7R TTE625R MRC

    Completely stock 2.5tfsi motor (no ported heads for spool response)

    1.9BAR beta testing 99ron (no wmi)

    631PS 786Nm

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    Need to add as just been updated fuel octane booster (NF)was used on the golf above.

    Note approx.

    3000rpm : 460Nm
    3200rpm : 550Nm
    3500rpm : 700Nm
     
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  31. TTE Si

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    I said it over and over above, good to see now see's 102ron as I.

    I'm told also has no Vbox so not sure where the 5.6 100-200 came from, maybe another device or estimated.
     
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  32. poverty

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    Aoon still hating.

    I tried aral 102 at the Nurburgring, found it gained us no extra timing. My tuner said the fuel was ****, more like our 98/99.

    Spoke to some other german guys they said they found german shell better than aral 102. Doug at mrc said his cars drove worse ok aral 102.

    But then we had someone else come along and swear that he added loads of extra timing to his tune over uk v-power.

    All ive concluded for sure is that the aral 102 sold around the Nurburgring isnt 102, and what someone else said also made sense. Aral 102 is 10 cents a liter cheaper than german v-power.

    Anyway that aside heres my results. 650hp

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