www.cliosport.net Owned an 05 plate 182 Cup. Proper rapid little machine. Proper. I joined the forum for more or less the same reasons I've joined this forum, socialising with like minded people and it's an extensive knowledge base. However. Most of the young guys run around in chav'd up 1.2 Clios and only ever aspire to own the V6 model. The General Chat and Other Marques sections are full of stories of how these machines not only routinely match but surpass far more expensive models on both performance and style. Most of the "vs" threads start, "I had a brief tango/play with a Saturn V rocket the other day. It was pretty neck and neck to 60, then he started to pull away. Reckon I would have had him in the twisties...." Mostly I ignore these and still attend there meets as the Scottish lot are a good and sensible bunch of lads. A recent thread though stated that the new S3 was **** and that the RS3 wouldn't be worth the money. Considering the RS V6 is knocking on for 30K and is a bucket I'm not sure what they're point is. Most frustrating.