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Mitsubishi evo 9 intercooler into S3, possible?

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by Chlippo, Aug 8, 2013.

  1. Chlippo

    Chlippo Member

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    I have a used mitsubishi evo 9 intercooler laying around that I was thinking giving it a go to my S3.
    Plan is to keep the fogs and grills, not loosing those.

    The intercooler looks like this:

    Mitsubishi Evolution 8 9 Stock Intercooler EVO VIII IX | eBay

    the size is:
    The core size is 19" x 11.5" x 2.75"
    Overall dimensions are:
    24.5"x11.5"x2.75"

    Note that my car is LHD.
    Planning on using 2" or 2.5" piping
    What do you think?

    PS: I have read every page in the fmic section, I know about pretty much all of them, but since I have the evo one ready, might go with that.

    Also have another intercooler that is 28"x7"x2.5" but i guess it won't fit since 28" is like 4" more than wellycooler.
     
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  3. Paradox1

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    Any intercooler will fit,as for the dogs,it depends on the pipework I guess.I'd do it if I were you.
     
  4. MexxT

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  5. Chlippo

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    I will probably do it. the only thing that would make me change my mind is the necessity of removing the fogs, or having a messy pipe-work. Ideally I would go AHfab, but the price + shipping to me would be enormous VS fitting the evo intercooler.

    Also 2" piping doesnt seem to be a valuable option around here...but I do have pretty much all the pipes i need in 2" (which is 51 mm).

    The end goal is a hybrid turbo (aiming 330 bhp), so I want to do the intercooler setup once and for all accordingly
     
  6. Andrew@A.L.D

    Andrew@A.L.D May add NOS to 600+bhp S3.

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    The evo cooler is good and will fit with a little work but A RB26 Skyline cooler is bigger and better intercooler that could also be used
     
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    I think 63mm pipes hoses would work better than 51mm.
     
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    dont use 51mm - utterly pointless going SMALLER than stock dont ya think?
    60 or 63mm is advised
     
  9. Chlippo

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    You are right, smaller than stock makes no sens. I was thinking, smaller pipes, larger intercooler = maybe better results over the stock twin-intercooler. But I will get another pipe set, do it once for all.

    Bill once you see my iat's, you will understand the urge lol
     
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    Note that the Mitsubishi evo 9 intercooler is very light and supposed to be more effective since its made from aluminum.

    Will be working on this slowly, but I hope it will solve my low reading maf problem. Car pressured for leaks and got none, swapped with a used maf and got the same reading so I assume the maf is fine. I do have a new maf sensor to try on the way, as i have promised in another thread.
    My iat's are sky high, I think Scullies had similar prob with iat's and ended up getting the car back to stock (before he started his big turbo)
     
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  11. MexxT

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    i used 51mm piping to the intercooler.
    After the cooler it was 63mm.

    made 320hp and 435Nm with a k03 hybrid.
     
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    So a ko3 made 320hp, whats that in bhp because theirs no way on this earth a ko3 turbo would make that bhp let alone a ko3s.
     
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    GT28 with a k03 label
     
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    superkarl MAN OF STEEL

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    Note that most intercoolers are made from aluminium and therefore light lol, you said that as though the evo cooler is different to others
     
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    lol

    what do you think intercoolers are made from??
    aluminium dude..
    Oe with plastic ends most often..
    aftermarket are ally

    looks like its a decent pipe outlet similar to when I mod the toyo core for s3 fitment and keeping foglights
    something to consider for a rainy day
     
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    low maf reading wont be the intercooler which is after the MAF in airflow terms..
     
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    he did say hybrid
     
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    and you would have made more with larger pipework and less pressure drop across smaller than OE pipework

    dyno lottery applies to figures.. According to a local dyno to me my k03 hybrid on lupo us 344bhp... lol It aint
     
  20. Chlippo

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    Of course i know intercoolers are made from aluminum and not from wood. excuse i missed to explain that its made from better quality material aluminum that disperse the heat better. Is the chinese made intercooler will be as effective as a better quality one? I don't think so and we all know that. That was what i meant. Also not to mention that the current intercooler (chinese) feels more stainless steel.

    Anyways, I ended up not fitting the evo intercooler as the piping started to be complicated, I opted for another intercooler laying around. Size is smaller but i will try it as is see what results i get.

    as for my maf readings, I have tried everything and they are still low. maybe map related but I doubt as my stock readings are low too, and I did try more than one maf (all used) with same results.

    my map is still far from perfect, but while waiting to get a decent one we will keep working on it.

    pictures and intercooler specs to come
     
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  21. MexxT

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    ok, here the proof.

    Foto550-X4AN3KI4.jpg

    Runs 95 octane + 7 liters of 96+% bio-ethanol.

    This dyno is pretty accurate, it wasn't a cold day. JD Engineering is one of the better tuners in the EU. And the superflow rollers are not ****ty rollers..
    I rolled it on the dyno at my work, that has a lot worse cooling, and it made 312hp with 430Nm.
    So I belive can say it is correct don't you think?

    I see i confused hp and bhp, it is 320bhp. here in holland we only use hp (and it means engine hp)
    but still a good result if you ask me.
     
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    I dont believe any dyno apart from those which match my own

    sorry
     
  24. MexxT

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    how can I prove it else? boost was 1,6 bar, and 1,9 peak.

    street tires, kw v2 suspention, stock clutch (6 speed) full powerflex, 1/4 mile 13.8 sec.

    I know what I am talking about, i work for a company called TVS Engineering, look up the projects. You can see what we build ;)

    The dyno from the plot is callibrated every 2 months.

    If you don't belive, thats ok.
    but don't say im lying;)
     
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    wind ya neck in fella

    i did'nt say you were lying... so dont accuse me of it

    lots of folks quote power figures from blah blah tuners/dynos etc etc etc
    done to death, and variance between them is huge. which is why this avatar is so apt ;)

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    i guess yoiu have never logged your egt's with that level of boost ;)
    those boost levels are plausable for that power... i agree.. mind your egt's tho
     
  26. MexxT

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    EGT levels where fine.

    Running Ethanol the EGT will be low.
    Cracked a mani with 98 octane.

    With ethanol nothing cracked.
    Sold the turbo after a year, and no cracks at all.

    Measured on 2 dyno's would be enough i think?

    there is no offence intended, you also do great work with your hybrid and 3" tip's ;)
     
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    ethanols cheating :)
     
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    Bio-ethanol with 102 octane rocks :yes:
     
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    superkarl MAN OF STEEL

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    Ethanol requires a bigger fuel system, 30% More fuel. so whats the deal with adding it to normal petrol, how do you work with that. different afrs required with ethanol etc. is there a limit you can add before the fuel system and mapping needs to be changed
     
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    wish we got choice of E85 here... that stuff looks incredible..

    good ole UK.. doh!
     
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    We had e85 here for a couple of years until they decided to get rid of it. It was cheaper than regular petrol as well. Oh the Irish government, full of great ideas....
     
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    The advantage of mixxing with ethanol is that it is more detonation proof.
    And you don't need to inject more fuel. A wideband can manage it.
    So if there is no e85 or pure bio-ethanol you can mix you can just run on 95/98/102.
    with e85 i used to mix about 15L on a tank. With the pure stuff i can mix 6-7 L before it goes to limpmode.

    you can see a profit of +20bhp
    that is another reason I made my s3 apy a wideband.

    Another benefit is you can run cheap gas and stil get max power.
    here in Holland most of the extreme tuners use it.

    if i got some spare time i will set it up on the rollers and show before and after :)
     
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    Quick question, sorry to hijack thread ; ) I can get hold of a intercooler that measures in at 650/250/90 can anybody advise would this intercooler be good enough for a s3 ?
     
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    90mm is crazy thick, most of us just manage to get 76mm cores in behind the bumper sooo, i dont think its doable
     
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    thanks Karl ; ) just wanted to pass it by ye before I went at bumper bar with the grinder
     
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    good enough?

    it will be like dude you seem to have a car fitted to your intercooler :)

    90mm deep core will be some serious trimming....
    how many zillion bhp you going for?
     
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    I'd be happy with anything from 250 to 280 bill, just gathering bits before I get a map at some stage, not after mad power just want the car to run well and keep temps low :yes:
     

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