No one said they where "***** quality" my comment was merely are they as good as they once were? Before the gap between mainstream and premium in terms of quality was quite large, I think that gap is closing. Audi/BM/Merc still have the premium image in thier favour but for how much longer? They only thing I do think they need to resolve is their customer care. I know some people have good dealers they use but they are the minority! J.