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    The area around where my shop is has slowly got more rough over the years with groups of local chavs turning up every year to cause havoc. Now in general, I tend to look after them, on the basis that they don't cause trouble with me, especially inside my shop. I don't mean I give freebies, noway, just let them off 5-10-20p every now and again to keep them sweet.

    But today, a new gang arrived, abusive and loud, they wanted free chips, I gave them a straigh no, and they have decided to **** about round the back of the shops and let the air out of my car tyres along with the staff cars also. Police don't want to know, as when they arrive, the kids are long gone in 10 directions, and unless I can point one single individual out(they are all hooded up), then it's no good catching them anyways.

    I've never had any of the local kids do anything to my car before, sure they would always **** about and do stupid things, but the latest ones just seem to have no fear and would do anything to impress their mates... this is what I've got to look forward to over the summer holidays when they are free to roam about into the late hours 7 days a week.

    Just great huh? :slapped:
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    Know the feeling mate all to well, little feckwits, seriously need a good smacking, feel sorry for you but dont give in, just get even.
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    Even if the Police got someone there wouldnt really be anything to lock them up for (being as the tyres arent damaged beyond repair). You could have vehicle interference at a push....but to be honest I wouldnt be looking at that if I caught them at it. Sadly at this time of year all the cocks come out to cause trouble, especially around take aways etc. Only last night I was in the chippy and there was a groubd of little, rude wannabe gangsaaaars giving abuse to everyone walking past. Needless to say when one of them said something to me and I put my chips on the roof of my car and walked straight up to him he wound his neck in. All mouth and no trousers but still a pain for everyone in the area. I wanted to find out where he lived so I could get all my mates on his front garden and have a load of beers and cause his parents strife.....just like their little darlings so.

    Friday nights are a nightmare as well, not enough officers on to deal with these little bum holes sadly. Pub fights and other alcohol related issues tie us up when we could be out sorting out these little morons.

    Get a massive sign and a mock CCTV camera....they dont like being filmed.

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    i reckon its Nilz's mates....

    no but seriously get dummy cctv up, g units hate them

    or put a chav menu up,
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    lmao
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    Well I was going to say we could get some of my mates to come and "look after" the situation for ya, but Ricks thinks they are already my mates!!!

    But as already mentioned, get some CCTV up, its cheap nowadays and it should make the d1cks ease of a bit!!!
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    Call the police and tell them you THINK you saw one of them pointing a gun. Armed police arrive, brown chav pants all round :asskicking:
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    Dont do that because you'll be taking officers away from other people who need them. When a firearms mentioned the f*cking world stops. Every officer will make an RV point and wait for an armed response vehicle(S),

    DO NOT DO IT, as you'll be taking resources away from people who really need them. Then they're tied up with bullshit firearm claim they could be required on a real job.
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    invite em in your house for a brew then wipe em with weights lol ........
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    Funny how the police are allowed to punch G8 protesters in the face / film them / put them on a 'risk list', even if they haven't done much wrong.

    Kids can cause as much anarchy as they please and they do sweet FA, and this fuels the kids self belief they can do whatever the "F" they like. Then they wonder why they get treated like $h1theads by society.

    Whilst I don't blame the kids entirely (I actually blame the parents in the main), it does nothing to endear me to the cause of children.

    Really sorry for you mate; it is hard for people who don't come under the daily pressures you will come under over the summer holidays to appreciate how helpless you are left to feel in these situations.
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    Give the little bast**ds a bottle of buckfast laced with rohipnal and get a few big boys to give them a good bumming.
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    LMFAO :lmfao:
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    some of the replies posted here :aggressive: way too aggressive

    Joe,to be honest it doesn't sound major and they will get bored,if I were you for the time being just take it on your chins :)
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    Any of the local lads who come in your shop who you let off with 20 pence or so a hardcase.If so he may know who these arseholes are and get him to threaten them for a free bag of chips.
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    this hoody **** happended to one of my mates he's on remand now , he moved in with his girlfriend everynights was a gang of hoodies screaming taking drugs getting pissed he went out and said come on lads keep it down a little please he then became a target for them ...how wrong were they

    anyhow noise gets worse over the coming days next minute crash one of his windows went in my mate snapped went outside got in his work van and plowd through the hole gang of them killing one them benieth the wheels .....

    he's gona be inside for a good while cos the **** head police no offence to you tom i know its the laws fault not the police ....refuse to deal with these little shytes that think there untouchable there knobheads

    as for the shyte that " got it " good ridance to scum maybe his knobhead mate's will think twice next time before trying to bully someone else..... i think there just scum getting pissed smoking weed on buses being cheeky i hate them tbh i was young once yeah and i was a little **** but ive always had respect for my elders something thats a thing of the past nowadays....
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    Fook me. Remind me not to upset your mate ever!!!

    Interestingly, it does make you realise that this is a MAJOR issue. You try and address the issue politely and they just take it up a level. How far can you go before it's life or death? Modern hoodie types have no value for life (reinforced by the knife crime), or respect for anyone. It makes you wonder where their sense of values got so wayward.

    Whilst I don't condone running kids down, I can see the angle on how people come to this decision given the other options - desperation that there is no other form of controls that will work.
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    See that's the thing, I've gotten use to them over the years and the best solution is just to ignore them, they will get bored eventually and give up, as they see they can no longer provoke you, so playtime is over.

    I'm just annoyed that they have started to mess with the cars which are deliberately parked round the back away from their preying eyes, and we have Metal gates with locks on them to stop them getting round, but they know all the shortcuts to get inside round the back of the shops.

    That's the way they are, the more you have a go or have a word with them, the more they come back, cos they know they are getting under your skin.

    As for hiring the good ones who I look after, they all eventually grow up and show me the respect I've given them in the past... it's just the new ones that do my head in, they are going through the badboy phase as it were.
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    Sorry to hear this Jo, it totaly sucks. The main thing (IMO), is the fact that it constantly plays on your mind. You're always thinking "what are they upto?"..."what will I come out to face tonight?"..."who will come into the shop?" etc. The thing is - the more you consciously think about it, the more discontent it causes.

    In reality, the worst they have done so far is cause a disruption (and don't get me wrong it is VERY frustrating) and I really feel for the hassle it's causing you.

    With the recent neighbour moving into a local street which he rents, it has caused me nothing but hassle. Always protective of my car, and my wheels end up going. The latest he's asked me if I fancy selling the A3 as his 'mate' is after one...I constantly imagine they'll be wanting to come back for teh whole car. I'm rambling on about my own situ here, but the point of it is the amount of unecessary stress it causes.

    As pointed out there is pretty much nothign you can do with the authorities. Police are often understaffed, kids always get away with it, police can never catch them as they shoot off in different directions etc. If they do catch them what happens?...nothing. A glorification for their actions of getting away with bad behaviour.

    Take matters into your own hands and you'll be in for it - can't believe the story in this thread where that guy lost it at the spur of the moment! Whilst I think most people would never condone that, many of us think "i'd love to catch the little so and so's in action and give them a real kicking" - that's natural. It sounds like that guy ended up in an awful situation It's terrible to feel victim in your own property.

    I would suggest doing that alarm thing and try and get some CCTV setup as said. I'd try and get some real CCTV if you could afford / perhaps even discuss with other local traders. If a dummy CCTV proves not to work they will soon be back. Perhaps some better lighting if possible also / motion detection?

    Of course you do right not to give out freebies etc - the more you resort to that kind of stuff, the more they will be in and around the shop. Equally this will put people off coming into your shop, your regulars and good custom - I know I wouldn't like having to wait with a buch of d*cks for my sweet n sour chicken (cantonese style). Ignoring them, acting not bothered and taking any subtle preventive measures is the best bet I guess. Really is a sign of the times, poor parenting and kids having kids.

    Good luck with it.
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    Jojo,

    You have PM.

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    dude that really sucks....
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    Sorry to hear about this jojo. But dont back down! Young kids these days are getting worse. Try speaking to them next time? Or speak to the youngs boys you get on fine with. Chippy by me does that use to speak to the kids that showed respect and didnt mess around. A Young man with a family died not long ago. Gang kept being loud/threating, breaking into cars, smashing them up. Anyway one night he had enough and shouted at them and said to leave the street.

    Next night he was riding his bike when some of the gang tried to attack him and steal the bike. It didnt get them far as he was winning. He got a bit of the a beating but one of the lads got it quite bad. He went away to get the older boys who happen to be my age and few years old. Came around his house guy happend to be on his way back from the shop when some on hit him. He fell of his bike, hit his head and died! He was under 35 with 2 kids and a wife! He dead right outside his house! Thats f*cking wrong! His kids got to group up with out there father. Wife said he went out there as she was scared, felt threated and not safe in her house.
    The boy who were involved for hitting him did go jail not sure about the others.

    Also last year an elderly man, got a attacked by three young men for no reason. Should of seen his face! Hopsital with broken nose and seriously badly bruised face!!!
    I mean that coursed a lot of trouble...I knew who the boys were, i was thinking paying them a visit. Next few days more information came out that few weeks before they were being racist to the old guy was from the West Indies (barbados). Also tried braking into his house! Anyway few weeks later all 3 young men were badly beaten up by some of the older boys from that area and the next area! :) Teach them a less!

    My area gone a bit bad lately. Too many young kids at the parks getting drunk, at tesco fields or outside tesco store of chippy! Drunken fights break out, young girls arguing. Windows been smashed! Innocent people walking past getting threated or attacked. Was a shotting few months back. Also one of the older boys got stabbed 4 or 5 times in the back by a boy few years younger than him! Kids think they can walk in the middle of the road and you will stop, kick balls at cars, throws eggs, light stuff on fire! Parents and police need to sort this out!
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    Can't try to speak to them. if I don't know who they are?! It's a new gang, probably just moved into the council owned flats round the back, as the council have moved the old gang(s) away a long time ago. They need to start building a reputation so the other lads around here don't pick on them.

    With regards to confrontation, I tend to avoid it, my shop doesn't have shutters, and it's all glass up front!! It's only ever bean bricked once in 30 years, and that's because my brother inlaw kicked a whole gang out the shop when he was working for the day. My approach works, gain their respect by giving them some back to a certain extent.
    I've certainly had some chats with a few of them in the past, where they have asked for advice... like they know they've lost their direction, and the dicking about isn't getting them anywhere... this is the point where they have grown up!!

    Parents, yes. This is the core of the problem, parents need to be more responsible for their kids actions, but then I'm sure the parents of some of these gangs are hardly what I call well educated, and insist their kids be a bum, just like themselves.

    Police, this is a catch 22 situation for them, they can only do so much, and the local plod do happen to drive by on a regular basis. But the kids know the area too well and run in 10 directions when they arrive, so who do you go after? Even when caught, it's like a reward to get an ASBO these days, it makes you 'HARD' in front of your mates.

    Anyways, I'm not too stressed about it to be fair, I've got on with my own business as I usually do, but just felt the need to express my opinion, due to my car being attacked! OK, they only let the air out the tyres, but THAT'S NOT THE POINT! is it?! :gun2:
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    How about a ferocious guard dog? If your lucky it might catch and eat one.
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    Give a 50% discount to any Police Officer that comes in uniform... :)

    Seriously though, there should be a local beat Officer or PCSO, try to get hold of them and explain your problem and highlight the fact what these kids are doing, they might be able to sort something out or change the route of the local patrol. If one of these chavs is a local trouble maker chances are the Feds have already had some dealings with them and know his/her name and where they live, also the local chamber of commerce might be able to advise you on legal matters....
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    jeeze, I guess I'm spoiled where I live! My young coz & family in Sainford near Donnie has been forced out of her house by teen thugs. The house was subject to trouble before they moved in & has carried on. Its just as well the thugs dont know that they both work in the nearby prison! I've joked about water pistols with a touch of petrol in with the water to give them the fear or that paint they use in transporting money but its hard to know what to do not to make things escilate.
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    Problem is if th epolice come out they are powerless to sort the little bastards out. So the moronic little fucktards thing they are gangsters rather than the pathetic oxygen thieves the rest of normal society sees them as. They push and push until people get to breaking point, somebody snaps and they then realise that they aren't so big and tough afterall and they are still children who are now in deep **** as they've wound up an adult to breaking point. Then the law sides with the scummy little scrotes. The parents should be made far more accountable for what their little darlings get up to. As I kid and even as a rebelious teen I knew what sort of trouble I would be in if I overstepped the mark. I had respect for my parents and other people and their property.
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    Oh there is certainly a Police presence about, and there is ASBO powers also, to move groups/gangs of kids along. But they are not here 24/7, nor would I wish them to be.
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    They should extend the abortion cut off to 17 (years) :thumbsup:

    Just don't see that kind of **** over here - of course it happens but it is in no way as obvious and shameless as it is now back home...still glad I moved out of the land which is rapidly going down the toilet :aggressive:

    I was a little **** 15-odd years ago, but kids these days (yep, getting old lol) are incredible. At least when we broke stuff and smoked weed we did it where the grown-ups couldn't see. And they are so cocky - these youngsters act like men (their interpretation at least) but when you punch one in the face they either crumble or all their mates fall on you and kick you to death. When I walk down a typical UK street I have both fists ready and eyes everywhere for attackers - I may not win but I'm ready, god knows what the more vulnerable members of society go through :ermm:
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    Problem with the ASBO is it's almost a badge of honour to the little bastards
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    Thats so true, they think its cool, stick the little feckers in shackles & do hard labour like a chain gang, they still do in the US & it works aswell.
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    In four years of living in Germany I never once had to worry about violence (I would go raving and get in some right sorry states, used to go the football a lot too) or where I parked my car, wish I'd learnt German and been able to stay a bit longer....
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    Another symptom of our 'broken' (more acurately described as totally fvcked up) society......... The streets awash with worthless scum...!!

    I can gaurantee the Police will be of no help to you whatsoever until something serious happens, then of course it's to late...... Not because they don't want to. But because, constrained by Political Correctness and 'human rights', they can't.

    There is only one peaceful solution;

    http://bnp.org.uk/policies/law-and-order/

    The alternative is anarchy.
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    I love it here m8 :o.k: it's not 'home' and it never will be, but I'm so much more relaxed now. Lucky to live in quite a nice area in a very civilised country...leave the car unlocked, windows open, no stress. My laptop was on the back seat for a week and I didn't think twice about it. As I type this, my scooter's outside the office with the keys in the ignition - When I was living in Newport that wouldn't have been there 2 minutes :ninja:

    There is violence, don't get me wrong. I see fisticuffs now and again, but the difference is, nobody does it because they think it's cool. Occasionally somebody needs a slap, of course. What makes me laugh is when a native tells me "oh don't go there, it's rough"...I just have to remind them where I spent the last 30 years :laugh:

    Vote BNP! They will sent every black/brown/yellow/beige person "home", thus making the streets much safer. You know, the ones full of pasty-faced youths with dark circles under their eyes and burnt fingertips. The groups. The hoody crew.* If they have no "pakis", "chinkies", or "terrorists" to fight with, then they will peacefully go home to their mothers and 8 siblings from 7 dads, and won't mug any more old ladies/kick people to death for daring to tell them to stop letting their tyres down/drive stolen cars into bus queues of children. At all.

    The red text indicates sarcasm, by the way :whistle2:

    * I love hooded tops. Does that make me a bad person?
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    Going back in August for a couple of weeks, looking forward to some Gyros and decent beer...hmmmmmm
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    I'd rather shove my balls up my arse than vote BNP.
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    That's bloody IT!! Sod this, early lunch. Cheers Unkle :laugh:
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    Sorry whats your address again, lol

    And not being funny but alot of the ***** going down in this country is being done by english scum, I dont think getting rid of all the different ethnic groups would resolve our issues, the issues would be resolved if police had more power, less restraints, curfews for kids until a certain age, actual proper punishments for law breaking, get kids of the streets, sometimes you wonder if china etc have got it right given the way there countries are these days, no I dont condone communism etc but look at iraq, yes saddam was an evil fecker but there was control, at a cost of course, but freedom has a cost, but I think the UK has to start seriously cracking down on these street scum, kids etc.

    eg. other day I was minding my own business coming back from london, went through turnstiles & asked the station guy what times next train, all of sudden some black joker decides to shout across saying "hey tough guy, wanna dance with me" I ignored cause thought was directing to someone else, he continued to say it then I replied, I dont even know you so why would I, him mumbling yeah your glad you didnt, watched to many gangstar rap music videos, I mean wtf is wrong with these idiots, no wonder its all happening in london all the time, they think its Compton, LA, fecking unintellectual twats, but got me thinking as was carrying laptop that it was a ruse to get me to put it down so could nick it.

    Wasnt worth the face off as laptop is worth fair bit & knowing these idiots he was probably strapped anyway, but wtf is wrong with these people, they think its a game, then you see there mothers on tv, in papers saying "oh they were such a nice person, never in trouble, so loving caring" yeah my arse see your kid on the streets with there mouth & then tell us that again, they have no control or idea what there kids get upto.

    We have a walk through here & tbh we're sick & tired of fecking numpties coming back from pub late at night walking through being loud mouthed, cans bottle etc, although I am far from the likes of the BNP, I wouldnt be surprised if we as english people start to get fedup overall with the situation in the UK, at some point its got to stop, zero tolerance for cops, give them more rights.

    We were once known for our politeness & gentlemenship, now we're known as foul mouth beer swilling idiots in alot of holiday destinations in europe
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    [Jul 16, 2009]
    Is "black joker" (particulary "black") relevant or needed in your story?
    Not trying to start anything but just wondering if the colour of the person had anything to do with your point? Maybe I missed the point of it.
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