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    Anyone running or had experience with one of these?


    Looking at them they seem a nice upgrade above Stage 2+

    Anyone know what sort of torque they make? As my car is a daily driver and when I replace the clutch I will probably go with a sachs organic clutch and a DMF and know there limit is around the 400-440lb/ft
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    I'm quite curious to this aswell as it seems to be a nice little stop gap for me in the not so distance future to upgrade my car before going mental and Jumping to stage 3. Not done too much digging on this but, I might be wrong, from what i've read on these, its advisable to upgrade internals aswell as anything above 400hp is likely to cause things to break.... I might be totally wrong about that but from what ive understood that seems to be why not a lot of people have the mod and instead stump up the cash for the full package and go straight to stage 3.

    Would be good to find someone who has had it done and ask what else they have had done and if they think it is worthwhile before stage 3.
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    You don't need internals for the LO400 and its plug and play which is exactly why it's a popular upgrade. It's the LO4xx that may need internals.

    Another turbo on the market is this one ... Unit 20 - Audi S3 Golf R TTE420 Turbo charger

    Similar power outputs to the Loba, still based on the K04. The main benefit of these turbos is that they spool up earlier whilst still giving a bit more top end power which is great for daily drivers.
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    That tte420 sounds nice what are the costs of that turbo? Anyone knows?
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    +1 on that tte420 kits sounds really good. Do you know if this would work with revo software or need a custom map?
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    As nluk says,you don't need uprated internals for these hybrids.

    It's not bhp that will kill the rods but torque and the stock rods are good for 440lbs.
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    in for more info, i've just emailed them regarding price...
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    Would also like to know the price of the TTE420 Kit! If we had a few people maybe we could do some sort of group buy from them :) ?
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    2200€ is the price incl. Vat.
    You can upgrade your turbo for ~1350€.
    I think Simon is working for them after leaving loba...
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    so its simmilar costs to Loba yet a bit more power :beerchug:
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    That needs to be proven..
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    I really wish I hadn't clicked on this link, as I'm trying to save money!
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    Interesting, but as KentKid said I needed to not see this thread.
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    That'll need uprated internals I suspect mate, my aim is to get a fast spooling 400bhp street setup.

    Anyone know what sort of torque the Loba 400 turbo or the TTE 420 produce and what sort of torque the Sachs organic clutch is good for?
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    I would love to see a power graph and at what boost pressure.. The lo400 suffered from high EGT's to get close to 400 i believe and above that WMI was needed.
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    The LO400 is K04 based whereas the TTE420 is K16 based for info.
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    You lot are dangerous. I've just got to Stage 2+ and now you're introducing new turbos into my life!!!
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    I believe that was a story with lo4xx
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    It quotes: TTE420+ 420+PS New Price 2199.00 Recon/Upgrade 1349.00

    Does that mean all you need is that turbo to deliver 420+bhp? lol

    What about exhaust, hpfp, CAI, etc etc??

    I take it once this has been fitted, then another remap will have to be had? and even then, would it have to be a custom map as Revo/Shark etc wouldn't account for this Turbo in there testing would they??
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    You would definetly need a Zorst System, HPFP and CAI.. along with an uprated Intercooler plus the Turbo for 420+bhp, and maybe a few other "safety mods"

    As for another Remap I'm sure you could go for the Stage 3 APR/Revo/Shark Maps, AFAIK.

    :)
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    is it in euro or pounds? :D You may also need new RS4 injectors
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    I'm sure someone said it was Euro's plus the company is based in Germany so it's most likely :) don't take my word for it though!

    I also thought you would need RS4/R8 Injectors but a reputable tuner told me the standard S3 Injectors are good for circa 500hp, can anyone confirm this?
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    btw its cheaper to get second hand K04 and get it upgraded :D, saves circa £200-£300.
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    Hi Guys,

    I thought id pop over and give a little helpful info to questions regarding TTE420 as been directed, but not wanting to upset mods in any way as not a paying sponsor and if i have please do contact me. So will keep short and give real info not sales talk so to say.... (also was emailed same as thread so this is a near copy reply)

    Stage 2+ would in theory have all the right hardware for a TTE420 unit, only a remap and id say rs4 injectors and valve would be needed to exploit the extra power our turbo can provide, although some tuners say stock injectors are fine to 450 ?....Something you'd need to consult with your tuner about.

    Just to help you lot understand a little more of a TTE420. The unit is very close spec to a LO4XX. Same k16 clipped turbine and near same compressor although we feel ours is better as was chosen using BW compressor map, Loba has none as far as i'm aware for there compressors(not wanting to start a battle ours is better so on). We cnc/engineer in house the parts to fit in a K04 bearing housing! This is not so easy to do hence why Loba used a TTRS bearing housing as uses a K16 turbine as stock and cut and welded a flange to k04 stock exhaust housing to take the ttrs core....Only real difference between LO4xx & TTE420 is, Loba uses the TTRS compressor cover, but to be honest gives little extra as the exhaust runners and housing is becoming the bottle neck over 400PS and both units are same in this regard.

    The 420+PS (415BHP) figure quoted on our website has been made in Germany on pump 102 without WMI with all stage 2+ type hardware (some have claimed 430 PS but yet to see dyno and we all know figures vary place to place), id suggest a 400 figure on UK fuel is more inline with what could be done and seems right with the L04xx results I've personally seen in UK and over the world, when i did work for Loba for many years. More maybe made with certain tuners and also with WMi all depending on how used/tuned so on and considered safe...

    Really the key point off a TTE420 and a LO4XX is the Genuine K16 Turbine. This is allows the extra flow, and lower back pressure over other hybrids and in turn allowing extra power only difference is we do it in a KO4 064 for plug and play fitting (as far as aware only company in the world to).

    TTE420 has "near" same response as stock yet makes more torque and holds this longer not dropping off like stock, same with HP.

    Prices on our website are in Euro and inc Vat at 19%. Shipping is cheap, and id be up for group buy if was interest.

    Please happy to talk by email as above or Phone anytime really (UK number 07825 884236)

    Si


    P.S. Thanks for kind words S3Alex :sm4:
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    Sounds very promising and tbh I think this is a great upgrade from stage 2+ with hassle free fitting and not many extra bits required. Looking forward to see how many ppl are interested and what final price would be.
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    For info quite a few of our TTE420 units gone to REVO dealers around europe recently, so hoping for more dyno sheets to come through over time using REVO software... ill will update our facebook with results as i get them

    FB link : https://www.facebook.com/TheTurboEngineers?ref=hl

    Also for info same unit is used for our 1.8 T stage TTE380 and see 370-380 no WMI at 1.5 bar again on 102 pump
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    Nice, thanks for the info Si. Seems like a good bit of kit! Could possibly be interested in a Group Buy if others were!
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    how many ppl for a group buy would we need to gather up to get a better deal :)?

    Found this:

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    Even just 2 id sort a little something.. But as ever more means cheaper
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    Here's a pic of LO400 compressor, on the left vs. TTE420 compressor

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    Just how much bigger is that!

    Looks enough to swallow the '400.
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    count me in for 1 of those 2...

    i am seriously interested but based out in australia at the moment. i will be back in the uk at xmas for 2 weeks so could maybe sort something then. ideally i'd like my unit rebuilding if possible as its only got 20,000 k's on it so it would be come an expensive paper weight...
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    I wish I hadn't seen this or maybe my bank manager wishes :)
    Tempting stuff
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    In for power proof as well as graphs vs 2+ :)
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    May I ask what the turn around time is on the upgrade route?
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    Ex is around 8 mm larger and in is about 1mm

    This unit is Becoming popular now we are selling 20+ 420 units a month, and as such overhaul/upgrading time scales are now taking a around 20/30 working days ..new units are faster to produce 14/20days ( I'm looking right now at 10 units being processed)

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    I bet LOBA is going to do some discounts now after reading this thread! haha
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