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Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by OVRA3, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. OVRA3
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    [Jan 25, 2012]
    Hi All!!

    Just wanted to pick some brains if poss!!

    The other weekend, I locked my keys in the boot of the car! DOH... Opened the boot on the car with the key fob and then popped them down while I got out my umbrella! Shut the boot lights flicked on and realised they were in there and no spares! My mate who is a mechanic came with his kit and we popped the door open a fraction (looked brutal) and put a hook in to unlock the doors! DEADLOCKED! In the end we managed to get the back seat forward with the hook and pull the keys to a point where we could push the button!!! Genuis and very lucky!

    Anyway my question is Robinsons Audi want £212 for a new transponder key,... Is there a cheaper way?? Ebay or is that asking for trouble? Has anyone had any experience with new keys not from Audi?

    Cheers Guys!
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    Depends on what year your car is. Post 2005 then that is the right price for a key from Audi that will start the car. You can get a key cut that will open the car but not start it and you could even buy a key from ebay (with the correct part number ) and have the blade replaced with one that fits and have the lock/unlock programmed to the car. Probably do that for £25-£30 if you know someone local who can code it.

    The reason for that price is that the immobiliser chip (which is separate from the lock/unlock circuit) can only be programmed once with a 'secret' code known only to Audi Germany.
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    Looks like Audi might be the only reliable way to do it I suppose... Good that they are so secure but annoying that they are so expensive!

    Cheers gents
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    Nissan are very similar with theirs. Expensive, annoying.........Yes!

    My view, though, is that i am pleased you can't just walk into a key cut place, have one cut and be able to open and start my car.
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    They are bullet proof to get into, my mate has unlocked quite a few cars Mercs etc included and has never not got into one.. apart from yes you guessed it mine. It was only through the keys being within a reasonable reach with a pole that we got in as everything is deadlocked including the button on the door... Very secure!!
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    [Jan 25, 2012]
    Hi guys "Opened the boot on the car with the key fob and then popped them down! Shut the boot lights flicked on" can this "self locking" feature be changed using VCDS ?

    Thanks
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    How is this done? Is this possible with VCDS somehow? I've got a key which has a cut blade for the car but don't know how to code the fob to open and unlock the doors. Key seems to be the right age as it has the exact same codes/numbers on the fob as my normal key.
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    [Jan 26, 2012]
    It can be done with VCDS . I have watched my garage man do it on my car but I haven't actually done it myself.

    Remember it will NOT enable you to start the car though, just lock/unlock remotely.
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    As Mike quite rightly said, its easy to code the fob usin VCDS in the Central Electrics Module > Adaptation. Instructions will pop up in a balloon on how to pair. Can only be used to to lock/unlock though as you need a SKD code to bypass the immobiliser, a code that even Audi dont see as it comes directly from Audi HQ when they program the key.

    Off topic: Hope you're well Mike, havent seen you posting in a while!
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    Hi Jonny - very well thanks mate. Still doing a bit of posting but a lot less since ETKA was goosed! However, just got another one working properly so will be back !!

    Hope the business going ok. Cheers for now
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    Good to hear mate! Going well thanks, Januarys off to a slow start but December was the best month yet! All the wives buying their husbands Cruise Control for Christmas :lmfao:
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    [Jan 30, 2012]
    That is all I need it for. Will give it a go!
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    [Jan 31, 2012]
    I've given this a go but can't seem to get it to work. The module is central convenience, where there is a channel to select remote locking keys. However the original figure is "1" when there are two keys at the moment (also shows this on the DIS menu). If as the pop-up balloon says I change the figure to the amount of keys to pair (ie 3) it won't let me change it (it won't actually let me change it to anything in fact).

    Is there another way of doing it? Or am I doing it wrong. Essentially I have two working factory keys and want to add another key to it to act like a valet key that will open and close the car.
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    I had a new key cut and coded for £60. Not a flip key or Audi just a plain boring old blade key however it starts and unlocks the car so it's fine for a spare. I'd rather that than picking and bending the door lol
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    Must be an old car then. !!!!! lol
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    [Feb 16, 2012]
    I've done my searches, got confused and learnt the following from experience.

    This is for A3 [2007] owners who need a spare key. I believe it applies to A3s after 2004.

    The various posts about putting one key in the ignition and turning the other key in the door are for pre 2004 A3s etc.

    This is for the 3 button type with the metal ring clip that runs up one side.

    The parts you’ll need are

    1. A brand new key from Audi or specialist auto locksmith

    2. Around £180

    Getting a key that matches the codes on your existing key still doesn't work even if you put a new transponder in it. All you get is a key that can be cut to match the lock, open the car turn the ignition lights on, but the car will start and then die. My experience is that Audi cannot code these third party keys. At least I got a good price for a new Audi key of £160.

    Beware trying the following, which is what I did as it just wastes £40 and you may still be charged for failing to get it to start the car
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    The following posted earlier today didn't work at the imobiliser stage

    [SUB]1. [£20 eBay] New or used remote key fob [with all the internals] that matches the codes on your existing key e.g.

    DE 8PO XXX XXX D
    HELLA 434 MHZ
    5FA XXX XXX – 11
    H 2.2 / S 1.1 [not sure whether these last set need to match as they are not often listed, I got lucky]

    2. [£10 eBay pre-cut] Blank HAA short type blade cut to the image of your existing key. This is held in place with a simple split pin that a small nail can be used to push out. Beware the longer type that are designed for older style flip fobs. You can either buy a blank and get it cut locally or buy it from an online service that uses a photo of your key to cut the key for you.

    3. [£10 eBay] A ‘virgin’ transponder like a tiny glass capsule. It is important that this is not a used part as these can apparently only be coded to a vehicle once. This must be described as new and for an Audi A3 after 2004.


    Preparing your key

    You can either replace the old transponder yourself or get Audi / Auto electrician to do this (at a cost)

    To do it yourself [5minutes]
    -Take the battery cover off, one clip at the end, one on the side and one opposite in the key blade recess.
    -There are 3 screws requiring a very small tool that I improvised by cutting down a small blade screwdriver. Take care as if you damage the heads, you’ll have to drill them out and find replacements.
    -As the top of the key comes off, beware the flip key spring doesn’t fly away and get lost. You’ll be very lucky for this to retain its tension but no worries, it’s easy to see how to re-tension it and even better, to actually do it.
    -Gently lever the circuit board from the key watching out for two lugs that need to be minutely trimmed to release the board and just as importantly to replace it.
    -The transponder capsule is in a plastic clip and can be levered out and replaced with the new one. It is fiddly and I’ve read that sometimes these are glued in so a hairdryer may be need to soften the glue
    -Re-assemble the key and now the final and costly step.

    Registering your key
    The prepared key has to be registered with the A3. This requires a special code that has to be read from the car, which needs VAG COM and some 'special' software. I've left this part to Audi as there are limited Auto locksmiths with the kit required (most are in the Home Counties). Audi are charging me £57 for this service, which includes deregistering any key that the car knew about but I didn’t have.

    All in the costs came to just under £100, compared to the £200 Audi wanted to do the whole thing [and that was a cheap quote]. For some, the total cost is important, for others, the extra £100 would be worth the peace of mind and warranty. If you’re in the catchment area for a suitably equipped auto electrician this costs around £150-£175 all in.[/SUB]
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    There are risks with getting the parts online in that you don’t know until you go to register it, whether the key fob works, the key has been cut correctly or the transponder is actually new.

    It didn't work for me so that's £40 wasted but got a deal on a genuine key from Audi inc registration of £160. If they'd been prepared to do this earlier and not quoted £200 I would have go to Audi in the first place.
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    [Feb 16, 2012]
    Just to let you know guys, Keys for even the late model cars with revolving codes can be coded outside of the dealer network.
    Autolgic will definitely code them (but I tend to only use genuine keys), im pretty sure there are probably some specialist locksmith tools that are up to the task by now also.


    Steve.
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    [Feb 17, 2012]
    All I want is my spare genuine AUDI (but not original to the car) key coded to open the doors remotely. Can this be done? If so does anyone know how on a 57-plate?
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    [Feb 17, 2012]
    Page 45 of the owners manual suggests this may be very simple. To re-synchronise the remote to the car;
    With a locked car.
    1. Press the unlock button on the remote
    2. Use the key to manually unlock the driver's door within 30 seconds
    3. Press either the unlock or lock button on the remote.

    This is intended for re-synchronising a remote so may not work on another car's remote but it's worth a try?

    Failing that it's ring round the auto locksmiths or ask Audi for a quote.
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    [Feb 17, 2012]
    I think I may have tried that and other key procedures I've seen on the net, but I'll try it again thanks
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