AndyMac said:
Shades I've no idea why you still continue to have a go at people with points and "respect" people with no points.
"rightly deserve to have no points, and therefore get respect"
Points on your licence just means you do a lot of driving.
No points means you do very little driving or are extremely lucky. Neither of which deserves any respect (even yours).
Why do these things get so out of hand so quickly?
You have missed the point a little. I am not trying to have a go at anybody, indeed I have not had a go at anybody (well, except Katy_S3... a little, her post annoyed me but I really hope she doesn't take it too personally). If you re-read my post you will see that I am not specifically targetting people with points simply because they have points. I was simply making a point that, by taking previous/future posts/threads into consideration along with points accumulated, or lack thereof, it is possible to see who are the complete knobs who should not be given the time of day and those who, by doing what so many of us seem incapable of doing, deserve to get some respect at least. We make similar judgements about other people in 'everyday' life in almost every possible situation (work/social) so why is it unacceptable to do so here? I was not passing judgement upon everybody with points in general as there are obviously a myriad of reasons why it is possible to rack up points, even for the 'law abiding' citizens amongst us. Yes you are right when you say there are some people with no points simply because they are lucky but that is why I deliberately made reference to also taking the content/tone of posts/threads in consideration before I form an opinion about someone.
Having points on your licence does not necessarily mean you do a lot of driving however it is entirely logical as far as saying, for example, the more planes you travel on the more likely you are to crash and the more cake you eat the fatter you are likely to become. Driving more does not justify the accumulation of points.
AndyMac said:
These are the facts. They bear no relation to how good or bad a driver you are unless you are a completely brainless gullible muppet who naively belives everything they read in the papers.
Once again, I made no reference to points, by themselves, indicating how good or bad a driver one may be.
AndyMac said:
People don't wear them like a badge
I'm sorry but some people do, just as pikeys/chavs do with ASBO's. Again, I am not calling anybody a pikey/chav, I am using the terms as an analogy.
AndyMac said:
they are seriously worried about their livelihoods being threatened by pen pushing deskjockey civil servants who have seized an opportunity to make a fortune in the name of safety. Research doesn't support it, the police don't support it and unfortunately neither do the accident figures for the last 10 years.
If they were that worried they wouldn't continue to accumulate points if their livelihoods depended upon a licence. If they were that worried they would alter their approach to driving after the first fine/points issued. Breaking the law is breaking the law and if someone loses their job by repeatedly doing so they have no-body to blame but themselves.
Here we go again with the old revenue chestnut. The ONLY reason so much revenue is being generated is because so many people these days believe themselves to be above the law and blatantly disregard the laws governing speed.
However you do (sort of, in a roundabout way) raise a very important issue. If the government was really committed to cutting speeding offences in the interest of safety they would raise the minimum fine to something like £1000 which WOULD prove to be a real deterrent to speeding. That's all I'm going to say about that, I really don't want to go down this road again.
AndyMac said:
You're blinkered view of road safety is unfortunately the law, so you've won. I'm sure that will be a great comfort to all those thousands of accident victims that continue to clog up our hospitals thanks to views like yours that have failed to protect them.
Won what? Was this a competition? There is nothing unfortunate about the law, its there for a reason, it is the enforcement that is in question. It is not my views that have resulted in thousands of accident victims, it is the individuals who disregard the law and continue to cause accidents due to penalties NOT being SEVERE enough!