1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Just another day in the RS3

Discussion in 'RS3 Forum' started by MBK, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 17, 2013]
    Another fun day of making some rapid progress across Wales in the RS3.

    It's been a day of surging past dawdling traffic. My passenger was stunned by the composure and sheer thrust of the RS3 whether the roads were wet or dry.

    Exiting a roundabout up a long hill at full bore resulted in an appreciative nod from 2 bikers in a layby. "They liked that" was the observation from the passenger seat!

    A long straight and no traffic in sight meant time for only one thing. Brake to a stop. Disengage the ESP. Select S on the gearbox (and sport for aural drama). Left foot on the brake and...grrrrr...3k revs and boom. 4.2 seconds later "That is incredible" is the response. The Michelins were warm and the road dry so this was a hooked up launch. 10s later the silence said enough.

    All that fun and yet composed and comfortable at the same time managing 29.9mpg average over 220 miles, even with plenty of overtaking and some fun moments along the way.
    #1
    8PARSY, monkeyboy_marcus, dbm and 4 others like this.
  2. Ads

    Ads

    [Sep 23, 2014]

  3. Sandra
    Offline

    Sandra MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2010
    Messages:
    16,221
    Likes Received:
    2,403
    [Jun 17, 2013]
    Some details of the roads you were driving on be nice, lol and maybe some pics or video if you have so i can look on the map. :) x
    #2
    MBK likes this.
  4. jb0o
    Offline

    jb0o North East Forum Moderator Regional Rep Site Sponsor VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2009
    Messages:
    2,615
    Likes Received:
    104
    [Jun 17, 2013]
    I've got to say, the 5-pot engine is something of a masterpiece. Having been out in several TTRS's and RS3's, they have an incredible balance of power to practicality that simply astounds me. I need one.
    #3
    8PARSY, MBK and 45bvtc like this.
  5. Kelza
    Offline

    Kelza MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2010
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    371
    [Jun 17, 2013]
    Jb0o do it , ive always had a manual box,but now i,m getting used to the dsg and its awesome :)
    #4
    45bvtc likes this.
  6. jb0o
    Offline

    jb0o North East Forum Moderator Regional Rep Site Sponsor VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2009
    Messages:
    2,615
    Likes Received:
    104
    [Jun 17, 2013]
    Wish I could Kel, just left Uni so need to wait a few more years I think, haha.

    I do love the DSG in my A3, though there are times I miss the manual box.. I the manual box to be a bit more involving at times.. but whenever I get that feeling I just slap it down into 'S' and all ill-feelings of the DSG box disappear!
    #5
  7. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 19, 2013]
    I will make some more maps and videos (if I can make them to a high enough standard soon - my Go Pro is still away for repair :unsure:) of the great Welsh roads soon.

    As for DSG it is properly amazing once you get used to it, a bit flat in D sometimes but utterly responsive in S and it means you can focus so much more attention on the road.
    #6
  8. Kelza
    Offline

    Kelza MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2010
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    371
    [Jun 19, 2013]
    Hi mark i always use s mode and flicking the paddle down foot to floor really is a joy especially with the michelin pss :)
    #7
    MBK likes this.
  9. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 19, 2013]
    Yep the Michelins add a new dimension to the fun, especially with the ESP off, hooked up was the word on this run. Get the PSS nice and warm and then launch it, the immediate traction with no delay or wheelspin is just mind blowing!
    #8
  10. Kelza
    Offline

    Kelza MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2010
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    371
    [Jun 19, 2013]
    Cool esp will be off on sunday or monday :) not done launch yet ,need a long straight ,quiet road :)
    #9
  11. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 19, 2013]
    You've got to launch the RS3 it's a true experience! 4.2 to 60 & 9.9 to 100 is crazy but it makes me want to experience the 2.7 to 60 and 5.5 to 100 in that tuned 700bhp GTR! I struggle to imagine that.
    #10
    ColeyRS3 likes this.
  12. Kelza
    Offline

    Kelza MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2010
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    371
    [Jun 19, 2013]
    700 bhp lol that will blow your mind :)
    #11
  13. Real Thing
    Offline

    Real Thing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2012
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    38
    [Jun 19, 2013]
    My GT-R is a std 12 MY 550 BHP (Manufacturers figures 2.84 0-60) and that made My RS3 (now sold) look pedestrianised but as an everyday useable Vehicle the RS3 would still win everytime
    #12
    R90 STL, 45bvtc and MBK like this.
  14. Wicked666
    Offline

    Wicked666 Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2005
    Messages:
    584
    Likes Received:
    32
    [Jun 19, 2013]
    What's the benefit of disengaging ESP? Is it a requirement or launch control? Or does it make the car handle better?

    I'm a wuss and only switched off ESP once when it was snowing as read somewhere that's what's recommended.
    #13
  15. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 20, 2013]
    Turning the ESP makes the RS3 handle and flow through corners much better. With the ESP on even at moderate speeds you feel the system intervene, on turn in the car will reduce power and sometimes add a dab of brakes. You get the feeling of understeer. The Michelin Pilot Super Sports have much sharper turn in so make the ESP impact seem worse. Recently I left the system on joining a very wet roundabout and the ESP jumped in so hard it felt as if someone had pulled the handbrake on!

    With a Quattro car (and FWD) it's safe to switch the ESP off. You will find the car hooks up better into corners and you can hold a consistent line, trimming with the throttle as required. Even in the very wet the grip levels and predictability are exceptional.

    As for ESP on or off for launch...for cars that have had the latest update applied you have to leave ESP on. Pre update or update not required cars have to switch the ESP off.
    #14
    Real Thing likes this.
  16. Brodster
    Offline

    Brodster Shark Performance In Scotland Regional Rep Site Sponsor VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2011
    Messages:
    3,445
    Likes Received:
    805
    [Jun 20, 2013]
    John take a day out and come over to BroTek HQ - will take you about an hour mate and we will go for a spin across the A701. You will be able to use launch control there and see the diffrence with ESP off. Something I very rarely use.
    #15
    Kelza likes this.
  17. Kelza
    Offline

    Kelza MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2010
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    371
    [Jun 20, 2013]
    Hi mark i will take you up on that , as in from blantyre so you not that far away and id get a detail after :)
    #16
  18. kwistof
    Offline

    kwistof South East Events Moderator Regional Rep

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2010
    Messages:
    2,311
    Likes Received:
    469
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    #17
  19. Kelza
    Offline

    Kelza MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2010
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    371
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    720 bhp bloodly hell lol
    #18
  20. monkeyboy_marcus
    Offline

    monkeyboy_marcus Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2012
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    106
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    Turned off the ESP yesterday after reading a few posts on here. Didn't go silly but put my foot down around a few roundabouts and corners and you certainly feel a big difference! Not quite drifting but certainly not as clinical as normal.

    On a less fun note, I've had a couple of experiences with the brakes that lead me to conclude that they are not as good as previous - compromise between brake performance and noise I guess. This has been braking relatively hard from around 80 to turn a corner/roundabout and the ABS has kicked in/I've had to hit the pedal harder than expected towards the end of the manoeuvre. The first time I put it down to one-off but it has happened about half a dozen times now. Probably done about 2k miles with the new brakes now...
    #19
  21. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    You should start to feel the rear of the car move around a little more, just a few degrees of angle rather than a full on drift. The RS3 tends to 'squirm' under you as the chassis does some work and the turn seems to pivot around your hips rather than the usual front biased feel. Once you get used to it you'll know from the sensations though your seat that you've got the car hooked up properly, then you can get back on the loud pedal earlier and feel the power move backwards. There really is a lot more grip than you initially think possible.
    #20
  22. Morells
    Offline

    Morells Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2012
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    94
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    the TTRS gave me a scare when the back end stepped out a bit with the ESP on then it chucked it dead straight then did it again with the ESP off and was a great feeling nervous because I didn't want to crash haha but once you get used to it it's a great car.
    #21
  23. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    Ooh that sounds a bit scary Morells, I've had nothing like that. Did it feel like the brakes had been applied or throttle cut - you might have been a bit bust to notice but thought I'd ask!
    #22
  24. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    That sounds a lot like they've fitted much softer pads, as a result the tyres now have more grip than the pads can cope with hence the ABS gets busy. I know the squeal must have been annoying for those that had it but you couldn't fault the stopping power of the original pads.
    #23
    45bvtc likes this.
  25. 45bvtc
    Offline

    45bvtc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2007
    Messages:
    1,376
    Likes Received:
    1,536
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    I'm NOT convinced...

    I DOUBT oh so much that I'm going to have Audi change my original brake pad/caliper arrangement to this new ****...

    My original brakes - pedal pressures/travel/etc. - are ace, absolutely A1, love 'em even....

    As for the brake squeal? Well, you all know I've sorted that issue on my car! And the cost? It was £4,99 off eBay, plus 1.1/2 hours of an OAP's time and facilities to fit/apply.

    Wrote to Audi with my recommendation... Wrote to Audi with my recommendation... Wrote to Audi with my recommendation... Wrote to Audi with my recommendation... Wrote to Audi with my recommendation... Wrote to Audi with my recommendation...

    NO! Audi are gonna change the brake disc, the bra.......pad.... brake..han.. etc...
    #24
    8PARSY, Veneeringman and MBK like this.
  26. MBK
    Offline

    MBK Active Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1,091
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    What amazes me is the squealing Brembo issues ha been known about for many years on many cars. The shims (or even just a good dob of copper grease) are well know to cure it with road pads.

    Once you go more aggressive with the pad material there is almost no way to stop it in my experience, the Performance Friction set up on my Evo used to rattle and squeak - occasionally - but blimey they were effective stoppers without one ounce of fade or disc warping even on back to back track days. I think of it as part of character of the car but I have learned in Audi land that isn't the way people see things!
    #25
    8PARSY and 45bvtc like this.
  27. Morells
    Offline

    Morells Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2012
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    94
    [Jun 21, 2013]
    Brakes applied slightly just to sort things out so doing its job I guess
    #26
  28. monkeyboy_marcus
    Offline

    monkeyboy_marcus Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2012
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    106
    [Jun 24, 2013]
    Well, softer pads would account for the caking of brake dust around all wheels, having been cleaned a week ago, which is in excess of previous. I've also noted that the front Conti 5's are down to the last <3mm of tread, which may also account for lack of stopping power.

    Reports of brake squeal re-occurence concern me, otherwise I'd be investing in the Michelin SS tyres to replace the stock fronts tmw... If this does come back, there really is no other like-for-like replacement though. Have kids, need the space, want the super performance!
    #27
    finchy256 likes this.
  29. pturner3
    Offline

    pturner3 New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2013
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    [Jun 26, 2013]

    Why then, did Audi go through all the expense and trouble of developing a new brake set up for the car, in the midst of a myriad of customer complaints, if anti-squeal shims are all that is needed to rectify the issue? Of course the development team would have been fully aware of the existence of anti-squeal shims - something they learn in kindergarten brake school.

    Do you think there is any possibility that there were other issues discovered and resolved in the investigation process, that were not discussed with the public for obvious reasons?
    #28
  30. 45bvtc
    Offline

    45bvtc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2007
    Messages:
    1,376
    Likes Received:
    1,536
    [Jun 27, 2013]
    Oh please go ask Audi pturner3; I've been asking them this same question ALL year. And if you get an answer, other than "we don't know", then please, please post the reply, so that we can all gain from understanding.

    And for your second point, yes I do!
    #29
    8PARSY likes this.
  31. Veneeringman
    Online

    Veneeringman Bazinga VCDS Map User

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2010
    Messages:
    695
    Likes Received:
    550
    [Jun 27, 2013]
    The thing is, Audi / Brembo seem to have taken the lets crack this walnut with this big F**king sledgehammer !!! route, If they'd taken the time to listen (I'm looking at you John) to someone who's had experience in sorting it the update would not be costing so much !!
    And do not forget there are instances of Brake squeal returning, so this might not be solved yet (unless you strip the caliper down yourself and use some Ceratec)
    #30
    8PARSY and 45bvtc like this.
  32. pturner3
    Offline

    pturner3 New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2013
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    [Jun 27, 2013]
    With further consideraiton from an engineering perspective, it may be possible that there were material specification issues. I don't know this for certain, but it could be that permenant deformation was taking place in particular components. Although, this would not necessarily warrant an immediate safety issue.

    Personally, from buying a car developed by an exclusive company such as Audi AG and Quattro Gmbh, I would disappointed if their solution was to simply fit anti-squeal shims. If the system is designed correctly, it should not need them. These products are designed by smart engineers, albeit ones that invariably are prone to the odd mistake. Of course, there will be activity going on behind the scenes that none of us are privy to.

    What concerned me, is I seemed to recall suggestions and posts around some of the forums that almost incited that it was not necessary for anyone to rely on Audi for the fix, and it could be done at home. While I appreciate that this is very helpful to an otherwise very frustrating problem, and something perhaps that Audi could have adopted as an intermediate solution, it should be emphasised that now the fix is out, that people should be getting the correct upgrade applied.

    More of an explanation on the root cause of the issue and how they have designed out the problem would be interesting. But as said, they may be reasons why a full explanation has not been released. The good news is, the fix is now available. So let's stop whining about it and move on.
    #31
  33. JonnyG
    Offline

    JonnyG Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2008
    Messages:
    218
    Likes Received:
    61
    [Jun 27, 2013]
    From what I recall the consensus was that we should all register our complaint with Audi and while we wait for the official fix (which seemed to be taking forever), a temporary and proven fix was possible using the anti squeal shims.

    There was more to the problem than just squealing brakes as this German article eludes to :-

    Google Translate
    #32
    8PARSY and 45bvtc like this.
  34. 8PARSY
    Offline

    8PARSY New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2013
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    12
    [Jun 30, 2013]
    #33

Share This Page