I will get some better pics soon... The springs on the car were standard, It did look like it was lowered. Maybe the bushes and top mounts were that worm it gave it that look lol Well having fat chicks was a temporary and cheaper alternative to changing the suspension at the time... Thanks for the numbers Reesy. You can have your girls back now... I am still debating if I should change them now westy... The suspension seems to have sorted out the under steer and lack of grip I was getting.