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Is this going to end in tears ?

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    *For clarifaction: a million of their own wrong ideas.
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    Look back over history, and you will see that occupation does not work. Northern Ireland, Vietnam etc.
    if we pulled out completely, would Afghanistan turn into a terrorist camp? Did Northern Ireland?
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    There's a flip side to that coin , Have you also saw the extreme Muslims video's on YouTube , quite like the bnp's and skinhead's etc ..But Ive never saw a video where this happens on the regular of beheadings loads of torture videos i know Ive watched em , Your just proving exactly what I'm trying to say always on the defensive , Always there to defend Islam even if they cut heads off where as we would condemn it we would hunt them down and either they would be imprisoned or killed , But you follow the ideology of the quran and if the extremist kill in the name of Islam you sympathizes with it ... Simple as that..

    But you know what i watched Ross Kemp's trip to Gaza and i can understand Muslims feeling the way they do , but i see another Hitler coming and he's gonna be Muslim and rather than follow the word of the Koran which is peace and love , your gonna follow the extreme sharia side of Islam which is spreading like fire across the globe and so is the war on terrorism and will consume it in the end with wwiii , When in reality its all about land and greed , I see sad times coming for the human race its actually frightening a little bit for me , but mostly for my children
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    Vietnam didn't because the cold war ended thus ending communism.
    You can't (and are bonkers to do so) compare Afghanistan with Northern Ireland. Different race of people (actually Afghanistans population is made up of over 10 different races give or take a few), different religion (I never saw a catholic or protestant cutting around beheading hostages, hate to bring that up but it is true!), different culture, different beliefs even excluding religion, different ideologies, different laws, different.......etc etc etc. Making that comparison is the same as comparing an RS6 to a Vauxhall Nova! Nice try but your post is completely flawed.....Afghanistan, and these are all facts, is so important for geographical reasons. Ask yourself who its neighbhours are....Bet you cant without googling it! It is used as a crossroads between recruiting, training and eventually launching terrorists to the western world. In terms of convenience, for terror and insurgent factions, it is perfect. 70% of taleban tier 1 fighters are from either Wariztan or Pakistan. The rest are either Chechnyan mercs, British (that really upsets me) and scatterings from the rest of the world.
    But the answer to your question? YES. WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT. Why do you think Western goverments are spending billions keeping the ball rolling there.....And theres not even any oil.

    Respond please Mr A4Quattro. This time have a bit of substance to any points you make.
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    *cough*

    If they do March through Wooton Bassett then (since I live nearby) I'm going to pop up there and string some cheese wire across the lamp posts either side of the street, sit back with a beer and watch the ensuing hilarity with delight...

    *cough*
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    YOU HAVE CLEARLY TOTALLY MISSED MY POINT.
    My point does not mention race, creed, colour or belief.
    I said that occupation of another country does not work, it never has.
    There will always be indigenous people that will rise up against the occupier, look at the French, Finns and Norwegians during WW2. Or indeed the Soviets in Afghanistan.

    Before you start spouting off about comparing Ireland with Afghanistan and all the belief systems yada yada yada, maybe you should take a moment to consider the actual post I made, it was pretty simple and not open to much interpretation, although you seem to have swerved the actual point.
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    Chris,you say occupation never works what about Hungary,Czechoslovakia and Eastern Europe by Russia after the ww2 until the 1980/90's ?
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    Not really the same after half the population of those countries was wiped out by the Axis powers, the areas of power were set out by the leaders of the USSR, Britain and the US following the war. The countries were "liberated" by the allies.
    Those soldiers were not there as peacekeepers, they were there basically to invade.
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    You could also say, what about Caucasians in Northern America?

    Well if you slaughter everyone there and there is nobody left to fight then maybe it would work.
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    The point wasn't missed. You put across the point about occupation. And in doing so provided some poor examples(poor in the sense of its pretty obvious why and how the occupying didn't work). But you still made the comparison between them. I simply stated why, with facts, its daft to make that kind of comparison(you need to re-sit history 101). Think YOUR missing the point. The main purpose of a presence in Afghanistan is to eliminate the means of training and launching terrorist/insurgent attacks on the West. Its not like Germany occupying France etc. Its not to gain ground or establish the west in the east. Its purely for prevention purposes.
    It was you that made the comparison(yada yada yourself mate), not me. I simply put points across that annihalated your argument. And ref the above posts, occupation does work. As long as the occupying force('s) stay. It only falls apart when that force leaves. And then its not even occupation!! Because theres no bods there! Think that settles that one!
    And Chris....The problem with common sense, is that its not that common.....You certainly proved that!....personally!
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    The point wasn't missed. You put across the point about occupation. And in doing so provided some poor examples(poor in the sense of its pretty obvious why and how the occupying didn't work). But you still made the comparison between them. I simply stated why, with facts, its daft to make that kind of comparison(you need to re-sit history 101). Think YOUR missing the point. The main purpose of a presence in Afghanistan is to eliminate the means of training and launching terrorist/insurgent attacks on the West. Its not like Germany occupying France etc. Its not to gain ground or establish the west in the east. Its purely for prevention purposes.
    It was you that made the comparison(yada yada yourself mate), not me. I simply put points across that annihalated your argument. And ref the above posts, occupation does work. As long as the occupying force('s) stay. It only falls apart when that force leaves. And then its not even occupation!! Because theres no bods there! Think that settles that one!
    And Chris....The problem with common sense, is that its not that common.....You certainly proved that!....personally!
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    Occupation is occupation, irrespective of the purpose or the geography.
    The people making attacks on the west are people born in the west, they could train anywhere. We need to stamp out the radicalism in this country.
    If they want to train to be terrorists, they will do it anywhere. Short of elimination of all of the extremists and their ideologies we will never be victorious.
    It would appear that Islam is open to a lot of interpretation, and it doesn't appear to be a very tolerant religion. Please don't ask me to explain that statement, I'll simply say 'teddybear'

    And thanks for the personal derisory comment, that shows your level of intelligence.
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    ....a few days later....


    What was that you were saying Mr Hees???
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    You have quoted someone else out of my post (the 3rd quote was not mine)
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    Whenever religion is involved in discussions it always ends in tears, personally I think they're all absolute ******. IMHO
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    Bloody new site.
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    Do you think you could be a bit more blunt?? :laugh:
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    I could but I'd get banned mate, Cafeteria Religions springs to mind, like a Pick & Mix at the sweet shop, nobody follows there religion as set out, I personally have no time for them, I'd rather enjoy my life thanks. IMHO
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    It would appear that lots of people use religion to hide behind, as some sort of justification for causing misery to others.

    Just because Christianity did some awful things centuries ago does not give other religions the right to do similar activities now.
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    Well Nigel,Phoenix and Quattro are at it and thats over the definition of occupation and not a mention of religion is there ?
    Hundreds of reasons why wars are started not solely religion as fasttdi pointed out oil in Afghanistan ;)
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    Please, I dont think you're that niave.
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    +1 Matey.
    We might as well fight about Santa, or the tooth fairy.
    They are also fictional.....IMHO
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    ARGH :scared2: WALL OF TEXTTTTTT!

    Anyway have a watch of this:

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    Damn Oliver, you a journo or something lol
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    Fecking brilliant news tbh, that march alone would of created a hell of an issue & sure to end in violence
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    That dipshit Anjem Choudary must be laughing at us, creating all this unrest and hatred against Britain and the West and all the while claiming benefits!

    Really that makes us bigger dipshits to be putting up with it. Deport the idiot.
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    Ive been away for nearly two weeks, just moved and no internet you see, glad to see as.net hasnt changed! :)

    (Apart from the confusing and cluttered homepage...sorry mods theres just too much going on)
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