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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by voorhees, Jan 2, 2010.
yes it bloody ought to, forget religion ! this is more than what people belive in, i believe this is about peoples reaction to the year we live in and other peoples reactions to our personal views, rather than what we actually think or believe, to many people live in fear of what we are told whats right or wrong rather than following there own beliefs and opinions.
there the ones that want and beg for our help then when it doesnt suit them cry wolf, we are a country of moaners that moan about everything and do f##k all about nothing, the amount of national debt this country is in, looking after other countries rather than looking after number one, is it no wounder were in the mess were in.
at one time we were all proud to be british, now were all a nation of followers that darent say what we think in case it upsets someone of the wrong colour or religion, i know and get on with plenty of multi race people and knowing them as i do they wouldnt take offence to this statement as they to get up off there arse and go to work every day to earn an honest living and pay there taxes.
i feel that the country we live in today has dropped to its knees and gave up so it can please everyone even though its clear that everyone shouldnt be pleased, more like given the elbow like other countries do with them and get told to move on, especially if there views are different from ours.
i strongly believe that our views and opinions are clouded and restricted by not wanting to rock the boat or upset the apple cart, this is ********, we should stand up for what we believe, if we did more often then the country wouldnt be in the state its in.
this does not make me a raciest in anyway shape or form, as i said, any one living here putting into the system as i do that i know or have had dealings with feels the same.
this is my opinion and opinions of people i know so if it offends, it isnt done with any mallace or raceist intent, its just my view of the way that we have let the country go, we are ruled by race, health and safety and a goverment that has no balls to stand up for what we once were as a nation.
happy new year to all.
something along those lines definately
Words fail me. I would be banned off here if I put what I really thought.
sidi, to get the ban you mention, would that be for agreeing with me or the other way, trust me mate, i was as polite as i could as i didnt want to cause to much conflict, saying that i dont mind a good debate if it gets going.
hows the toys you have, im getting there with mine now and am looking at a few others now lol
Oh dear. No doubt they will have a large police escort so as not to be harassed too much.
If these groups care so much they so go live in these countries and take up their campaign there and dont bother us with their cr*p.
one thing comes to mind
Im sure il get some stick but do i care , not really .....
It's all part of our great L*bour government - and their dream of a "Multicultural & Diverse Britain" Our country is dead my friend - race, colour, creed is, and always should be celebrated in this country. The problem is, when you allow the minority of morons to rule the masses!
If these people are allowed to march in this way, then thats inciting violence - due to the location and the sensitivity around the location These scumbags have one goal in mind; to make us hate Islam and cause a rift Thankfully that hasnt happened as most people who are able to use our own minds and make our own decisions.
There will be tears are no doubt People will go to retaliate and violence will be the likely outcome
The problem is the distorted reality of the people running this country
Just look at how many people are employed by the current government I believe its gone up by 6m since L*bour came into power That way youre not going to vote out the party that employed you, are you
How many people are left to sit on their fat scum backsides and push out scumy brats, and never work for a bean
These people arent going to vote out L*bour are they
That said That pr*tt Cameron is just as bad though!
Should be in the rant part eh!
Firestarter.... How am i going to sleep now - Ahhhhhh!
Its a very sensitive subject, but the reason for them doing a march doesnt seem logical so they should be banned from doing it!
Do have a few extremist group local to me, they just dont stop and dont take the message!
Unfortunately for us this county has gone to the dogs. Our government has insisted on letting the European Courts rule our country. I am not in the slightest bit racist, but why should we have to put up with this **** in OUR own country. I wonder what sort of reception you would get parading Christianity in a Muslim Country.....being stoned springs to mind.
I have absolutely no problem with people who integrate into our society, accept our morals,beliefs and bring something to the party. What I do have an issue with is the way people arrive at our ports and get given everything they ask for.....then bite the hand that feeds them once they have managed to get the rest of their extended family over here.
2 words in responce to this "nail" & "head" absolutely spot on mate.
Personally I cant stand any religion as its all **** & causes all wars, but you're right if you were to preach your religion in a muslim country/community, would you be as welcomed as we are to them, not bloody likely, I'm not a hater or racist, but I & many others can clearly see why its creating a divide around the world, really is & even I'm getting fedup with this ****.
I just hope people's feelings on this sort of thing (and other things) doesn't edge them towards voting BNP. I really do. I've heard and seen it more times than I'm comfortable with.
Are you referring to the march.... or this thread?
I'm sure this thread will not end in tears
It says in the daily star that the same group that's marching is aiming to send letter's to relatives of dead soldier's to saying they fought for nothing for the halt of the spread of islam and that's all...
This is a nice gesture of peace dont you think .??
If this group does get permission to march then I think the best thing the splendid people of Wootton Bassett could do would be to close all their shops in the same way as they do when the soldiers pass through, but somehow arrange not to have a single person out on the streets to show there contempt for those organising the march.
Yeah id do the same everyone inside all doors locked , all curtains drawn , all gates closed they will be demonstrating to no one then....
Then just when they finish and there just on the boundries of the edge of the town ..All getting in there minibuses saying great day , god is great " daisy cutter "
It would save alot of tax payers money because quite alot must be going on watching these extremist day after day its a joke if they dont like it here send em to yemen , Or somalia i bet they would return with open arms once they lived , what there fighting for ....Im sick the the back teeth of it ..
Unfortunately mate, nearly all wars are based on religion! If religion was taken at face value and the followers of whatever god they pray to didn't try and ram their beliefs down other peoples throats the world would be a happier place.
A typical example of the hypocrisy was made evident when I was in Bharain. The amount of Arabs who travel over the border just so they can have a beer.....obviously beliefs are selectable depending on what mood you are in
I see what you are saying......Still think rotten vegetables (must be loads of sprouts left)......are the way to go......better still if they are frozen LOL
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I got to dissagree there mac with religeon being the cause , Its money, land , power ,oil , greed , Which is the cause of wars...
Religeon is just a good tool for recruiting ..
Yes mate. I have to agree there. Religion is a tool for wars.....but maybe not in the way my post perceived it to be. I would be more inclined to say:
It is not religion that perpetrates violence, but people. And specifically a certain mindset that seeks to use an ideology or a religious justification to control people's thinking and restrain the most fundamental freedoms
correctomundo old buddy , I agree ....now be gone with this march load up the c130 and call it a day ..after that we can roast marsh mallow's by the camp fire and get trashed ..woohoo
Never - The ultimate show of narrow minded thinking.
Though the whole time L*bour and the jolly old chaps from Eaton (Con) leave our borders open and allow people to abuse our countrys NHS and benefits, then they'll continue to gain votes i'm afraid.
Did you know our complete total of income tax from every working tax-payer, doesn't even pay for the lazy scum who sit on their fat backsides all day....
You cant have Democracy without the freedom to express an opinion but these people give good Muslims a bad name. They should go to Downing street or march somewhere near the houses or Parliment, not disturb a small village that is full of people good enough to pay their respects when dead soldiers are repatriated through their village.
Islam gets a bad name because a silent majority of Muslims prefer not to condemn actions by a small crazy minority.
Oh and Labour, sweet jesus who voted that lot in? Anyone on here who did should hang their heads in shame, sure the Conservatives were f**King useless bunch of c*nts but at least they didnt open up our borders, sign away powers to Brussels and give away our EU Rebate and Veto, under Labour teenage mum became a career option FFS!
Sorry m8, I did
However it was the hot summer of '97, I was 19, just fallen off the roof of a Fiesta, was probably high, and I'll never do it again, promise :thumbsup:
*I mean, I'll never vote Labour again. Or be 19...
I think you will find that is exactly what will happen,,, as I'm sure Mr hate preacher is fully aware.....!
The truth is, and it is a sad truth for those that seek to deny the evidence placed before them on an almost daily basis,,, that it is only the BNP who even dare 'acknowledge' the problems that militant Islam will (and are as yet only just beginning to) bring to this Country.........
But more importantly, the BNP are the only ones offering a solution...! The same solution that many posters above would like to see........
This country is going down the pan!! These idiots should be kept away from all populated areas, if they must march let them do it on Salisbury Plain (during an army exercise preferably).
Funny how the ordinary Brit is being alienated and bullied by these minorty groups, I do however feel sorry for all the Muslims who live meaningful and peaceful life as part of our communities, at some point they will become a target for everyone's frustrations.
Try and think about it with role reversal.
500 soldiers will march through Southall carrying empty coffins in remembrance for their fallen comrades. They will also send letters out to all the relatives of the suicide bombers and muslims killed to let them know that they had a worthless death and they are not going to sit next to Allah with the virgins.
Can you see it being allowed to happen? No, then why the f**k can the muslims get away with it?
The way I see it, let them have their demonstration in Alum Rock, Bradford, Southall etc, somewhere they are amongst their own kind who will probably take notice.
But to do it in Wootten Bassett is just doing it to take the piss.
If this government allows it to happen (probably on appeal as I can't see the local townsfolk letting it happen), then when the riot breaks out in Wootten you can bet your sweet ass the only people arrested will be white so as not to offend the demonstrators.
England, the only country that invaded itself.
I love my country regardless of goverment. I am English, but don't shout about it. An Englishman dosn't need to. It shows through to even the most untrained and clumsy of eyes. That aside, I did 9 years in the British Army, and was in Afghanistan on numerous occasions. I last served there in the summer of 2007. I have also been there privately on contracts at intervals last year. I can't/don't understand where the UK extremist groups are coming from. I can tell you from first hand and hands on experience that the Afghan people, north and south, want the coalition forces there, and actually prefer British troops to the other forces there. Before our presence, when the Taleban were in goverment life for them was so supressed the kids were not allowed to go to school, and women forbidden from literature of any kind. I'm not pro war, and I'm not anti war either. However, to make the civilised world safer, and to end the oppression of less fortunate lands, blood on both sides is imminent. Whether it be professional soldiers, insurgent fighters or innocent civillians. Its happened for thousands of years, and will continue to happen for thousands of years. And more certain than that?.... There will always be people that cry about its un-neccessary and violent nature (in this case, the protestors who plan to march on WB, I wonder how many of them have actually been there and made an observed and educated decision for themselves. And not whay their Mullah is telling them to believe......) To add to this, these extremists forget that if they acted like this in their country of origin, they would be publicly executed. And they have the ignorance,arrogance and sheer cheek to do it here, the very place that harbours their freedom of speech.
It is unfortunate after reading all previous post and comments made by users that all are your own personal opinions. If you dont like muslims there is no need for you to make sarcastic comments about there culture. If someone was to refer to us British as ar@eh@les for getting drunk every night and end up screwing your sons girlfriend and use an lame excuse such as 'I was drunk' we would be offended. We British are not perfect in any way, we just have a voice to express ur opinions whereas they dont. In regards to culture everyones different, us British have some of the most arrogant and foolish people and refuse to accept if someone is different from us. If you hate the muslims of this country then why do you go to there country for holidays and then still have the cheek to criticise them for their way of life. Our soldiers are not at fault and should be praised for their efforts, But saying that thee is no reason for them to be in Iraq or Afganistan, due to the fact that this war is not about terrorism but OIL. You may have heard this before and there are many conspiracy theories out there but if you knew the actual facts rather than just use the media as your only source of evidence, it is unfair to voice your opinions. We all know the media is controlled and majority of the population believe what we are told by the media without giving it a second thought. whereas the actual truth is far from what the media tells you.
Noting from some of the comments above, it dont take a genius to work out there is hatred for muslims. I suggest doing some research in finding what a true muslim is to give you a better knowledge.
You call a suicide bomber a terrorist, but has anyone given a thought as to what has driven this man/woman to cary out such an act?........... i guess not......... Could it be that his wife/daughter/sister had been repeatedly raped by opposition soldiers in front of him. How would you react when you have nothing to live for? I am not encouraging this behaviour but before you start shooting your mouth off with comments try searching for the truth.
There are many servicemen and ex servicemen who have been to Iraq and Afganistan who will seal there lips for life and will never speak of what actually happens in these countries due to the shame it will bring. Not everyone is perfect.
Islam is a peaceful religion and as with every other religion there are a few who spoil it for the rest.
We (the British Army) pulled out of Iraq 9 months ago and there is no OIL in Afghanistan.
The rest of your post is peculier as you seem to be reading a different thread to which I am.
Topics like this make me so angry, it would be a disgrace if they were allowed to carry out this protest. If they cant live here without causing problems why dont they return from where they came. Here's a video i found of a similar situation:
I would'nt say that muslim's are disliked in general , But terrorrist and stupid fanatic's from mosque and extremism and sharia law are , Its just not our society.
And the reason maybe muslims are all being thrown in one pot is that we dont seem to see any muslim's putting a stop to psycho's in madrases and mosque's , When hitler rose to power we stepped up and basically wiped half of germany out and i think until muslim's do the same and show they dont want this terrorrist extreme filth in our mist and also intergrate into british society , Then sorry i cant see any change and hatred will continure from both side's not just non muslim's but muslim's also . When nick griffin turned up at the bbc you will see outside that most demonstrators were white and basically hate nick griffin and what he stand's for.
But when finsbury park mosque hold's a hate demo we dont see any muslim's there complaining and wanting rid of the scum , The only country seeming to try and do something is pakistan and that's contidictuary cos there madrases are spewing out hate and brainwashing kids as younf as 5 into hatred of the west , It's not a big war against islam , just fanatics but i think us going to war with the extremist is going to make thing's worse and until islam step's up tp the mark and show's the world that you dont want this filth in your mist then im afraid the comment's in this thread are going to continue as they are , JUST MY 2 PENNITH
Take a bow son, take a friggin' bow!
It's the right sentiment,,, slightly 'wobbly' on a few facts, but never mind.......... But the basic thrust is both the essence of the problem, and the reason it will never be the cure!
The problem is that 'moderate' Muslims will NEVER be able to silence, let alone physically prevent, the extremists (who are not quite the 'tiny' minority they are alleged to be) from doing exactly want they want.......... If they could, they would have done so long ago....
So ultimately the job of protecting any Country from 'Islamic terrorism' will remain with the Government of that Country.... And I don't think the useless Politically Correct, freeloadin shysters, we call a Government, or indeed the equally limp wristed Conservatives, have any sort of policy to deal with the true nature of the threat............ The BNP on the other hand seem to have the right idea!!
.....surrounded by a million wrong ideas.
Amazing you only commented on something you were sure of. Correct there is no oil in Afghanistan nor is Osama bin Laden, so why are our troops there? Slightly off the issue but instead of killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people using terrorism as an excuse, why cant they get to the route cause of terrorism and get off there land?
You will find many videos on youtube showing hatred for Islam and Muslms but then you will also find videos of the National Front, IRA, Nazi's and many more extremist groups. Does this make them terrorists?
Im not taking sides and absolutely condemn terrorism in any shape or form but what im tying to imply is that before we become judgemental and make comments we should first try to understand and look at the bigger picture.
A user previously mentioned that they should go back to their own country! Well if all the minorities were deported then consider this country to be no different from Iraq. Majority of the Doctors/Surgeons, Lawyers, factory workers are from the that minority. We must remember before England became established it imported cheap labour from Pakistan, India and so on. and this country was built on the backs of these labourers who worked day and night for very little money and built this country to become stable. These same coloured people are now being told to leave. Why? Because theres no need for them now. Do you call this fair democracy? Without this minority this country would collapse inside out.
I dont approve of these protests but as per my previous post they are trying to express there own views on the war. They believe more harm is being done than good, innocent women and children are being killed. Its unfortunate they have to bring the Islamic religion into their protests and label it as there own, But Islamic law is far from these protesters and has no comparison. They are indviduals who strongly believe in something and are taking the oppurtunity to voice their opinions at wootten bassett. If the authorities believe this protest is wrong then they should arrest them for public disorder, on the other hand they may be peacefully protesting causing no harm.
Onother point i would like to respond to is that many believe that education is not allowed in islam for women, this is completely untrue and has nothing to do do with religion, instead it a tradition that has been carried down many generations and people are not willing to change. (our own prime minister is illiterate nevermind the women of Afghanistan).
You can never teach an educated fool, but you can teach an uneducated fool.
Im not trying to offend or defend anyone in anyway but i firmly believe a better understanding should be achieved before commenting on someones culture. Not everyone is perfect.
Selam alaykum, FastTDi........In the spring if 89' my uncle had a problem with rats killing the newly hatched chicks on our farm. So, being a resourcefull man he bought a Tomcat. The next spring only a small proportion of chicks, compared to the previous year, were killed. The Tomcat was doing its job well. Year after year the cat went dilligently about it's duty and killed many many rats. Unfortunately, on the odd occasion the cat would also kill a chicken or two. This was put down to the fact that it was a cat, and cats do what cats do.....In the winter of 2001 the cat, with a full belly and a big smile on its face, died. The following Spring almost all the chicks were killed, as my uncle did not buy another one. However the following year he got another one and sure enough, the rats dissapeared and the majority of the chicks were safe once more.
If you havn't already worked it out.......
Chicks = Civilians of all creeds/religions/cultures
Rats = Terrorists/insurgents/Taleban/etc
Tomcat('s) = Coalition Forces/Nato/ISAF/etc
Points to note: As soon as the Cat('s) leave, a greater number of innocent civilians will die or be supressed. FACT.
A few chicks are killed by their protector. This is called collateral damage and cannot be helped. FACT.
If ISAF left Afghanistan, many people of all races and religions would die both there and internationally. How do I know this? How am I so sure? Because I have seen their terror training camps. Because I was also there when the Taliban were in goverment, and witnessed the burnt literature, the destroyed schools and the thriving opium trade (all, I will add, were bi-products of taliban rule).
I can also inform you that 90% of the Afghan people want the coalition there. This also comes from attending several Shuras, and listening to many Mullas all in Afghanistan. Both recently and 5 years ago.
Alaykum as salam.....Shukran.