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is my car really that slow?

Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by Lex, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. firebobby
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    Whoa!!! I didn't say accelerating is illegal! I said I believe street racing is illegal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fact that you tried to out accelerate this other guy, proves you were in fact racing!! otherwise, you would just have left him to his own devices!!! It takes a minimum of two people to race, and there were two of you, ergo, you were racing.
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    OH MY GOD YOU ARE RIGHT! WHAT AM I DOING? I MUST BE PUNISHED

    SPANK ME
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    Stop being boring :) Every one likes to have a bit of fun now and then, i wouldnt call it racing. Just seeing who can accelerate up to the speed limit quicker than the other. I agree racing on public road is a NO NO. But dont think lex was even racing just decided to put his foot down as the clio with a bunch of childish kids wanted a race. And see who won. Lex left it in 2nd gear too long and they had fun laughing and saying
    "its only a 1.2 hahah"
    i did reply "yeah and look at it hahaha"
    Lol which did make me laugh:)



    :angrymod::asskicking: lol
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    it is possible that it was not a 1.2, but everyone can be caught out just look at youtube your bound to find Ferrari's being beaten off the line by a little Fiat.

    you should not have much turbo lag if my 170 is over 1500RPM it pulls really well i would get it checked out, you could get an Audi tech or specialist to go far drive with you to get there opinion.
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    too right id of took it to 145 screaming its ar$e off with my middle finger out the window lol:arco: see ya 1.2 clio breakup alloys smokin to death at a 1er hahahaha

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    [Feb 12, 2009]
    :haha::arco:

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    Sorry Dad! :busted_cop:
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    No need to apolgise! Just don't do it again:angrymod:
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    :haha: matt you heard him DON'T DO IT AGAIN!

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    LMFAOOOOO !!!!!! :rock:
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    Warn a brother :busted_cop:
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    Kind of a self-defeating argument there, David.:icon_thumright:
    Saying you're happy with 80-90mph, then saying you go faster on the Autobahns.
    If you're happy with that speed, the country shouldn't matter.

    Personally, I wish manufacturers gave 0-100mph times, rather than 0-62mph.
    No use having an impressive 0-62mph time if it dies a death after that.
    Who stops accelerating at 62mph?!?!?
    IMO, 0-100mph is a better indication of how it will accelerate past stuff on a motorway etc.

    I agree that top speed is irrelevant.
    In the bike world, it is common to change the gearing (by buying a different size sprocket).
    Less top speed, but more acceleration.
    Shame you can't do the same £20 modification in a car.:sorry:
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    Of course the country matters. On sections of the autobahn there is no speed limit and German drivers are used to driving at speeds faster than 80-90 and have much better lane discipline that UK drivers. On the autobahn I drive up to around 120 where the speed limit, conditions and traffic volumes allow and 89-90 at other times. My car has a published top speed of 139 mph and personally I can see no logic at all in doing anything to make it go faster than that speed.

    I can accept that some re-maps provide other than a higher top speed but it seems extra speed is what some drivers are after.
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    A remap isn't going to alter top speed though, David.
    Only if the car is geared too high as it is, meaning it doesn't have the power to pull top gear.
    I would suggest most cars are geared so that top speed is at peak revs in top.
    In which case the only way you could increase that top speed would be to change the gearing (practically impossible without major expense) or making the car rev higher.
    Remaps I've seen don't do that, they just increase power within the existing rev range.
    So they can't affect top speed, just acceleration.
    If the thing's revving out in top, it's revving out in top.
    Doesn't matter if 140bhp or 200bhp.
    I'd certainly gladly forgo some of my car's alleged 145mph top speed for greater acceleration up to 100mph.
    Not that it's slow, it's certainly miles faster to 100mph than my 140 A3, but more is always welcome.:undwech:
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    Maybe that's the case, but most people seem to want to do someting, and a re-map is the cheap answer, to make their car go faster.

    Perhaps it's them that you need to be explaining this to.

    The title of this thread is "Why is my car so SLOW"

    In theory, if you can increase the power output of an engine so that it will rev to say 7000rpm as opposed to 6000rpm then with the same gearing it will go faster. It probably won't in practice because other things come into play.
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    I think they mean faster acceleration, not higher top speed.

    In theory, a remap could extend the rev range, meaning your top speed is higher, but it would be dodgy.
    Redlines/rev limiters are usually calculated using a safe peak piston speed.
    So asking it to rev higher is just asking for a big 'BANG!'

    The only time this doesn't apply is when it's a voluntary 155mph limiter.
    That 155mph may be well below peak revs in top.
    So removing that will allow a much higher top speed.
    Tales of S3's doing 180mph etc.etc.:lazy:
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    Come on Dave - You've said enough in this forum over the years to prove you want to go faster and faster like the rest of us!!

    If I recall you've got a 170 diesel & you test drove a 1.8TFSI & didn't like it as much as it had less torque (even though its got more torque than the old 1.8T you've said you had!). You speed demon you!

    Come on - you love to rev the bristols off your motor & can't live without the spurts of speed that the 170 delivers you! ;)
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    Yup.
    If performance truly means nothing to you, go for the 105bhp 1.9tdi and enjoy the (claimed) million miles per gallon.
    £35 roadtax too.
    Mind you, it's a basic fecker of a thing (we have one here).
    Poverty spec and bogging alloys.:puke2:
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    If you could change the gearing to maker it faster accelerating then surely you would lose out on MPG as the revs when cruising would be higher than they previously were? So at the moment you have a good mix of acceleration and economy
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    I'm not saying a don't like driving quickly but what I am saying is that I buy a car that can do what I want in the first place. I'm suppose I'm very lucky in that I can now easily afford to buy what I want. Perhaps that's the difference, but I've even in the past I've never tried to make whatever I've purchased go any better than it's normal spec.

    I like the idea of the new common-rail diesel in either 140 or 170 mode. The 1.9 is the much older design, is nowhere near as smooth or quiet as even my existing 170. I went for the 170 in the first place purely because it was a smoother and quieter engine that my previous 140. Apart from that, I was quite happy with the performance of the 140.

    In the same way as I much prefer the SE to the Sport or the S-Line from the comfort for myself and my passengers, I like the engine to be as smooth and as quiet as possible, but I do also like the fuel consumption and in particular the not having to fill up so often on long journeys across Europe hence my choice of diesel over petrol.

    Some people seem to buy a car with a known performance level and then immediately start to try and make it go 'faster'. A remap or mods can easily cost £500 and the price difference between the 140 and the 170 is only £900 new. I suppose there are less 170s available on the second-hand market and even less SEs, perhaps that's why the dealers that I've spoken to recently about my 2.0TDI CR s-tronic test drive, all seem very keen to give me a good price to my current car.

    Anyway each to his own. It's just seems some people seem to have this need to make their particular car goes faster and faster rather than accept what they have or just buy a faster car in the first place.
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    Correct.
    Most of these 'green' models being offered by manufacturers have higher gearing, so less revs for the same engine speed.
    Great for cruising.
    At the same time, they probably have to use greater throttle openings to get meaningful acceleration.

    Reminds me of my younger days, on little gutless motorbikes.
    We'd raise the gearing willy-nilly, hoping it would mean higher top speeds.
    But the things wouldn't be able to pull it, so we'd end up with a 4-speed bike instead of a 6-speed.:think:
    Helluva speed down hills though.:jump:
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    I do know what you mean.
    Some of the S3 mob, in particular, chase sensational BHP figures etc.
    Boring.:lazy:

    Then again, there are cases where it makes sense to get a remap.
    For example, a 143bhp Audi costs me less in BIK tax than a 170bhp Audi.
    Better Co2 and lower RRP you see.
    So if I want the 170 performance, it actually makes more sense for me to buy a 143 and map it.
    That way, I get the 170 performance for the 143 tax costs!:icon_thumright:
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    Now that would make some sense, but as I don't get involved in such things anymore (being retired) it's not something I would know about. Does the extra £900 make that much difference.

    Mind you Audi have a special offer on a PCP contract on a new A3 with an APR of 5.4% at the moment so I may even decide to leave the money in the bank and buy it in that way this time. At the moment I still have some of my 'savings' in fixed rate accounts earning more than that.

    Anyone want to buy a March 2007 2.0TDI-170 Sportback SE S-tronic with DIS, Symphony radio, front fogs and xenon headlights - 28,000 miles - one careful owner and one year's warranty left!!!
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    Nah, too slow.

    :jester:
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    [Feb 13, 2009]
    Nice one Bowfer!!
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    People are different. I can't understand why you would buy the same car 6 times or own dull diesels for 7 years but don't feel the need to raise it at every opportunity. It's like you have some chip on your shoulder about it. Go back to worrying about your tax costs and MPG figures
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    I agree with you that people are different. I have bought six A3s so far but no two have been the same. 2 x 8L 1.8T manual - original but with different trim and equipment, 2 x 8L 1.8T manual facelift model, again different trim, wheels, equipment etc, 1 x 8P 2.0TDI-140 DSG SE and 1 x 8P 2.0TDI-170 S-tronic SE. Needless to say I like the A3. There is nothing else on the market that appeals more.

    I also been married to the same lady for 42 years and I happen to like her as well.

    Are far as driving a diesel is concerned, I owned cars with petrol engines for 40 years, both Audi and others before buying my first diesel so I think I have the experience to decide which I prefer, at the moment. Personally I cannot understand why anyone would want to drive a black car. For a start their so common these days and their difficult to keep looking good without a lot of work. And again I am speaking from experience. I owned a black Golf for 4 years.

    I no longer like sport type suspension and seats which is why my last two cars have been SE spec. I like the s-tronic gearbox which is why both of my last two A3 have had one. I find both items much better for long 1000 mile drives across Europe, trips to Scotland, Wales etc and also just as good for all my local driving as well.

    I certainly do not have a chip on my shoulder as you put it about chipping or other so called performance enhancements, but personally I do not see any point and this is also the first thread I have ever commented on it. My recent cars have always given me all I want as supplied from the factory with the exception of the iPod interface which I've had fitted to my current car.

    But as you say everyone is different and fortunately Audi make cars to suit us all. Long may it continue.
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    The Clio could have been running Nitrous...

    I had a 50bhp shot on my old Polo GTi and it was a lot of fun.

    You never know!

    And yes, any increase in power has the capability of not only increasing 0-60, but also the top end speed, if for example your current top end speed is not limited by max RPM, but the power your car has to overcome the wind resistance at high speed.

    Anyway, just my 2p.

    My car is too low to drive fast now, and it's how I like it :)
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    I think the clio was'nt a 1.2 or theres somthing wrong with your car. My 2.0tdi eats my sisters 1.6 bmw mini.

    For you guys who are talking about performance figures, 60-100pmh is a more "real world" perfomance figure you should be looking at.
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    I agree the 'mid-range' figures are much more important and relevant than any 0-60 or 0-100 times.

    Out of interest the figures in the latest test on a 2.0TDI-140 in this month's Audi Driver magazine gave the following 50-70 figures - 3rd gear 5.0, 4th gear 5.3, 5th 6.3 and 6th 8.2. The are figures for a manual gearbox. An s-tronic may be a little quicker because of it's ability to change gear with full power still on.
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