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Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by jojo, Sep 15, 2013.

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    jojo Looking for Boost! Staff Member Moderator

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    Damn!, I've always said I'd rather change cars than tune my S3 to 300+bhp! My thoughts was that the chassis was just not good enough to handle the power, and that a different base car would be a better solution! So my replacement for the S3 would have to have over 300 horses out the box!!

    However, since my latest suspension upgrades, it's still not perfect yet, it feels it can handle more power now, and I'm actually umming and ahhing for a Big turbo upgrade. Sitting in Prawn's track car did not help the matter, plus I do love to venture out on the track, so more power = more smiles!

    The only thing that's putting me off is the cost of the upgrade, and the potential unreliability of 1.8T's running over 300 bhp! It seems only Prawn's example is bullet proof, and he's not exactly shy about using the power neither!?

    Just thought I'd share my thoughts at this moment in time! haha, it changes quite often throughout the day, as I'm sure most of yours do too. :lmfao:
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    superkarl MAN OF STEEL

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    What are your current chassis mods jo?
    S3 doesnt need all that much doing to make it feel chuckable and fun.

    If i were you id consider a tfsi ko4 upgrade, its not BT money, and you dont have to ring its neck to make good power, you could easily have a reliable 300hp and could keep the torque 'safe-ish' if you didnt want to open the engine up. The turbos are cheap, the adapter is cheap, tip is easy and the only real expense is the dp and labour. Your current setup could pay for a little bit of it too.
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    Prawn My other car is a MINI!!!!

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    as daft as this sounds Joe, just build it right.

    Spend the money where it's needed, and don't spend the money on fancy bling things that'll see little gain.

    A decent well thought out simple spec, tuned to within it's limits and not pushed to 110%, will be as reliable as a stock turbo'd S3.

    i ran my hybrid for 18 months, and aside from a cracked manifold early on, I never had a single engine issue the whole time, it was faultless, and also utterly fantastic.

    I really think the TFSI 064 would be a cracking upgrade for your car.
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    You get all the bits and il fit it all..... For the cost of remapping my a3 lol
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    Just get that Porsche you always wanted :)
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    Nice one Lee! :friends:

    I have been looking at them LOTS recently, I must admit!
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    Apex spring, Bilstein Shocks, FK lowering caps, S3dave's adjustable tie bars, R32 rear ARB and custom geo. I have some more bits to go on, but I'm not saying what until I know it works. ;)

    Sitting in your car made me realise what the 1.8T is capable of Nick, but I want to see evidence that a TFSi K04 exhaust will clear the prop shaft first!
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    Of course it will Joe, there is plenty of evidence out there already.

    the greek lads that fitted the 064 to a LHD car proved that, the downpipe won't be any different to RHD.

    Also, You saw proof in the flesh whilst you were at R-tech :p Ollys Bora had the full TFSI swap, which places the turbo in the same position, and had 4wd on the same floorpan as yours, it might be worth asking Olly what he did for a downpipe.

    Q-peng also sell a complete kit to mount a TFSI engine into a mk4 chassis, with a downpipe that suits 4wd.

    However, I believe when Dan completes a kit for the turbo setup including a 4wd compatible downpipe, that will be by far the cheapest way of completing the conversion
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    I'm not joking joe lol
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    Join me Joe :ninja:
    Wheelspinning is fun
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    I know you're not Lee! Lol
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    Tfsi KO4 joe. It's the route I'm taking...
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    You first then Gops! Lol :laugh:
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    Just leave your S3 as it is. It's beautiful and drives so nicely.
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    Slippery slope :) Rods of course?

    I know it's a mad thought but surely it does, if the Golf R, TT etc use the same lump. Not identical of course, but they can't be far off.

    A whole TFSI engine would be sweet. Better head, stroker out of the box.
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    house first lol!! Then I will!
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    Have any prices been banded about for the TFSI K04 turbo converstion onto an AWD??
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    Not yet no.
    you're looking at 500 for turbo, 200 for adapter and hardware, tip is unlknown but its fairly simple, lines, and downpipe will be only other big expense.
    Then of course mapping.
    you're talking £2000 all in mapped i reckon, educated guess
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    £2k if you can fit everything yourself, I reckon it's still £2.5k with the exhaust, and with the power on tap, you need supporting mods like brakes and suspension, which I already have.
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    theres no way it'l be more than 1500 on hardware alone. and yeh thats obv - labour.
    you're in a good position to do it though, everything else is there. and its not like you've spent a bomb on your current ko4.
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    K04-064 is the way to go IMO!
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    I'd do rods aswell Karl, so 1500 is not going to happen!
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    Sell your S3, buy my S32 and turbo it, happy days :friends:
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    Haha, nice thought Sandip, but I need my car to handle, and an R32 lump up front just doesn't cut it for me. Sorry. :moa:
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    Worth a try :happy:
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    S3 track car niki just mapped is very interesting. Those apr kits go cheap on pistonheads too! ;)
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    I spoke to the owner of that car, he's spent a LOT on his car, more than I ever would anyways!!
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