nky_84 said:
Its pretty basic maths, i'll spell it out nice an clear and see if your old brain can work it out.
Aww..is that the best you can do?
I expected better.
BHP is a calculated figure : bhp = (rpm x lb/ft ) /5252
Simple enough for you?
Try answering the original point...
You stated that BHP wasn't a real world figure. It is.
Better watch your spelling there, wouldn't want the fun police to pick you up on that one ,please refer to high horse thread here
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=34463
...and you'd better learn about grammar!
Comma, then the space.
As for the pointless whine about its a track car, its a track car, its not, its a road car 99% of the time and any half decent track car would destroy it, my road legal track mini for example.
What spec your mini?
I had a proper play with a 1380 DCOE equipped proper mini round Knockhill...a decent car, good engine, well set up...and there was nothing in it between him and me.
His was a sprint car, and him a decent driver too.
You simply can't say out of hand one would be 'better'. that the other.
Can i refer you to equation 1, zero torque at 9000rpm doesnt do the "bhp" figure any favours, so id hardly call torque irrelevant, that's just stupid.
I don't know of too many cars making zero lb-ft at 9000 RPM though, do you?
Power keeps the engine spinning...torque accellerates the car.
Why are you just repeating yourself, have you nothing else to say? My comments were on the engine and you have no argument for that, so you brush them off and bang on about the handling again, about which i said i couldnt comment.
The ITR engine is good...but nothing ground breaking. It's just a well screwed together 1.8 NA.
But the car is more than the engine...surely even you can see that?
So commneting on the engine when the engine is not the shining star of the car, is surely ignoring what the ethos of the car is all about, is it not?
Good for you, big man, but im talking about stock vs stock,which yours was not, as well as trying to remove variables such as driver skill and bigger balls ie corners
Mine was stock for about a year.
Mine was also new...so big balls play little part when you are hurling 20Ks worth of 6 month old Honda round a track, uninsured.
You can push harder on a car that's better set up...that's simple.
Stock vs Stock, I belive the ITR to be faster point to point than a Williams Clio...in the hands of someone who knows how to exploit the engine and chassis of the ITR.
What a load of crap! Id love to see a 'teg on even a damp track with very tight corners which require a very low gear to exit, a recipe for extreme wheelspin and no go i think so!
Lets see now...
Aberdeen and District Motor Club trackday at Knockhill several years ago...
Laptimes of my standard ITR were mid way up the field of Imprezas (UK Turbos, WRXs, STIs and a 22B)...and it was raining hard that day.
XR Owners Day at the local sprint track several years ago...
Laptimes of my standard ITR were mid way up the field of Imprezas (UK Turbos, WRXs, STIs and a 22B), on a damp track.
Wothout wishing to sound harsh, you are arguing about a chassis you have never driven. How do you know what it's capable of without driving one...oh yeah, because you 'hate vtec with a passion'.
Getting an ITR off the line is an issue...tight corner grip isn't. That LSD works well..
If you wanted an everyday car you'd have an s3, but you'd have an ITR any day of the week? That clears everything up.............
You don't read too well, do you?
I'll write it again...maybe you can read it better the second time:
"I'd have one anyday of the week (ITR)...above a S3, if it was for a fun car."
That's not too hard, now is it?
I'd choose one above an S3, if it was fur fun.
"If I wanted an everyday car for driving when I'm tired, then the S3 wins."
I'll explain that to you as well...when I'm bored, tired and just want to get from A to B with little by way of driver input and even less excitement, I'd choose the S3.
There...not too hard, was it?
In conclusion, i expressed my views on the 'tegs dodgy looks, dodgy owners and experiences of coming up against the mighty vtec clowns.
In response, we get info dredged back up from previous posts, with a few token digs at the s3.
I agree with you about the dodgy looks...awkward at best. Ugly, probably.
Your experiences of VTEC drivers are your own...
But specific experiences about what makes the ITR special, you can't offer.
I'd have thought that having bought, modified and than sold an S3 I'm entitled to a few opinions...sorry if it doesn't massage your ego by telling you that you drive the best car in the world...because it isn't.
The S3 is good at many things...but a drivers car or exciting to drive, it isn't.
Heaven forbid for me to have an opinion on a public forum but IMHO Honda Integra DC2, not cool.
You are entitled to all the opinions you want...
Just indulge me the same...regarding the S3.
We run a fleet of 14 Toyotas (Aygo and Yaris) at work and trust me the old jap reliablity is a thing of the past with Toyotas.
, i hate it with a passion!
Dont't even get me started on the noise the thing makes!
