1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Help needed!..3.2Q DSG Hesitant engine ~ 2k rpm

Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by -Ju-, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. TQS

    TQS Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2005
    Messages:
    274
    Likes Received:
    4
    Thanks - was wondering if there were any more sympathetic dealers locally??
     
  2. Advert Guest Advertisement


  3. -Ju-

    -Ju- Well-Known Member
    VCDS Map User Audi S3

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,982
    Likes Received:
    248
    Sympathetic dealers LMAO!!!.............seriously though, give your local dealer a shout first, there's no reason for them to be obstructive
     
  4. kkp0897

    kkp0897 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2009
    Messages:
    751
    Likes Received:
    41
    Pardon me guys n gals, this has been a very popular post and I'm being lazy trawling through it so apologies in advance for this BUT, does this problem also affect an S3 DSG?

    My S3 DSG is suffering low rev hesitation.

    Cheers,

    KKP
     
  5. paddy

    paddy Audi=No fault code, no idea

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    5,135
    Likes Received:
    127
    Sorry but its really only applicable to the 3.2
     
  6. kkp0897

    kkp0897 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2009
    Messages:
    751
    Likes Received:
    41
    Cheers Paddy - I'll query it with the dealer when its due in for a service...
     
  7. paddy

    paddy Audi=No fault code, no idea

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    5,135
    Likes Received:
    127
    Audi issued an ECU flash to fix it eventually but it was for the 3.2 V6 only as far as i am aware...sorry mate :)
     
  8. paszko

    paszko New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2010
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Im having similar problems to what you describe above.

    when my engine is cool it runs fine, however when its warmed up and I stop at lights or the car is in neutral or park the revs go up to 1500 and then back down.

    ive checked the MAF and this is fine, ive also cleaned out the throttle body. Im thinking that it could be the idle control value. does anyone know whether these can be cleaned out as these are park of the TB.
     
  9. paddy

    paddy Audi=No fault code, no idea

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    5,135
    Likes Received:
    127
    First you need to get someone with VCDS to down load any fault codes. You could spend a life time chasing the fault round otherwise.
     
  10. GavinM

    GavinM New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2004
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    I had exactly the same behaviour about 2 months ago. Since then, the car's been in the garage three times:
    1) problem diagnosed as the timing chain being stretched, and the angle of the cam adjusters was incorrect, leading to strange firing behaviour. Fix was to replace the chain, and replace 2 cam adjusters
    2) got car back, after a few days, the emission control warning light came on. took to garage, got sensor replaced as the diagnostics unit had identified a fault (it was reading -20 degrees C when it was about +5)
    3) after a day or so, the car was exhibiting the same sort of issues. Exhaust Actuator identified as being in permanent retarded position, so it wasn't working properly. Got that replaced this week (well both inlet and exhaust actuators), and the car's been running fine and idling smoothly at 625rpm.

    Unfortunately, this is a rather pricey thing to get fixed:
    1) cost around £1700
    2) was around £80
    3) was around £750

    My car is 6 years old, is a A3 3.2 V6 DSG S-Line, with 74k miles on the clock. Apart from normal wear/tear/oil changes, this is the first piece of work been done on the engine.

    Any q's - give me a shout.
     
  11. paddy

    paddy Audi=No fault code, no idea

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    5,135
    Likes Received:
    127
    I think thats dead cheap mate. Mine came to nearly £10k !!
     
  12. edition

    edition Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2007
    Messages:
    1,428
    Likes Received:
    0
    hehehe Not cheap these modern cars are they when they go wrong!
     
  13. a8 tech back

    a8 tech back Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2011
    Messages:
    197
    Likes Received:
    4
    The tpi number has now changed to 2010289/3 (it also worded gearbox judder poor acceleration when changing gears at high revs, but the update is the same sw version)for those dealers struggling to find the original tpi which has been removed from elsa pro and elsa win

    svm code for the update is 8P01A005

    CD UPDATE DISC 4F0 906 961 N

    I have added this for the member who spoke to me today lol
     
  14. diggerbucket

    diggerbucket New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    0
    Digging up this thread again....

    Just to say I got the update applied through a non-dealer source. If it is of any use to anyone, I have the files off the update disc mentioned earlier in this thread, and more importantly I have them in decoded .bin format (this might not mean much to you but it will to your tuner!).

    Remap next!
     
  15. 16vt

    16vt New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2011
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    0
    Read whole thread, I will probably avoid buying the V6!
     
  16. andrew.p

    andrew.p New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2011
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Is the TPI 2010289/3 update only for A3 3.2s? I have an '04 TT 3.2 DSG which sounds like it could benefit from the new software. My controller number is 022.906.032.DP. Thanks.
     
  17. A13x

    A13x Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2011
    Messages:
    30
    Likes Received:
    0
    how do you know what the latest version is? I am on 0650
     
    #1016 A13x, Nov 25, 2011
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2011
  18. woodybuzz

    woodybuzz New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    29
    Likes Received:
    8
    Hi there,

    I have a 2003 3.2 DSG TT that is in my local Audi dealers tomorrow and i would like the ECU update apppied but all the numbers i have given them from this post are longer valid aparantly.

    Has anyone had this update recently at an Audi main dealers?
    Can any one give me any more or up to date info i can pass them please?

    Many thanks,
     
  19. R34nel

    R34nel Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    33
    can anyone tell me if this could be down to the software problem, i can feel this as a rocking or surging feeling when driving at light throttle. this vid is at a standstill in neutral on a 2005 3.2


    When the revs go above 2k that is me on the pedal, its the below 2k stuff I'm concerned with
     
  20. Csaba

    Csaba New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2015
    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    1
    Hi guys,

    I've just spent over 20 hours reading throgh your thread back from 2008-2010, about the hesitant engine @ 2K rpm.
    You guys were unbelievable, sorting out the issue on a VR6 3.2 quattro.
    I am a new owner of Audi. Unfortunately my car has the same problem what yours had.
    Now I know the solution to solve this problem is a software update. I did replaced couple of the main parts such as air MAF sensor, spark plugs, ignition coil. Which obviously did not solved the problem.
    As I live in Southampton, I have called up Southampton Audi to ask them to do a softwer update on my car what I know it is available. However they just keep saying that they can not see that the softwer update is available for my car, the only thing they do say is the ignition coil needs to be replaced.
    I told them that I know the CD number what to look for, but they were useless, just keep talking about the ignition coils. After I called up Huddersfield Audi, where your cars been serviced with this software update. But they were the same as Southampton Audi.

    Please, help me with this. How could I sort my car issue. What shall I say or ask from the Audi to do what I want?
    Your answer would be very much appreciated.

    Kind Regards


    Csaba
     
  21. R34nel

    R34nel Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    33
    Hi, it's a long drive but I used derby audi, they updated mine for free and just did what I asked, so if you can be arsed to drive 3 hours then your sorted

    Nel
     
  22. Advert Guest Advertisement



    to hide this advert.
  23. Csaba

    Csaba New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2015
    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    1
    Thanks Nel,
    Yes, that would be a very long journey for me. I'll try keep pushing Soton Audi. but if they not gonna help me then no choice...
     
  24. -Ju-

    -Ju- Well-Known Member
    VCDS Map User Audi S3

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,982
    Likes Received:
    248
    Remember it well, the feeling I had driving away from the dealers with the car finally fixed. I was grinning from ear to ear.
    As you've found out, the dealers still won't recognise the update as a fix for what you describe to them and it won't show as an available update on the system and from that they can be reluctant to do it. Tgey just tell you to book it in for diagnosis.
    You are better of trying in person to get the update sorted armed with the relevant facts.
    If no joy then move on to the next dealer
     
  25. Csaba

    Csaba New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2015
    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    1
    Thanks Ju,

    Can I might use an independent garage who is specialized for VW, Audi, BMW, Porsche??? with the right equipment .
    Or is it only Audi who can do ??
     
  26. -Ju-

    -Ju- Well-Known Member
    VCDS Map User Audi S3

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,982
    Likes Received:
    248
    I have heard people have had it done at independants but i would think its mainly the main dealers tbh
     
  27. TerrraFirma

    TerrraFirma New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    2
    Holy thread revival batman! Sorry to bring this back from the dead again. I've read many many of these pages, and as a new owner as of yesterday, I admire the persistence and outlay of some of you guys! Long story short mines jerky on set off, feels like a surging/hesitation trying to hold 30 -40 mph and hunting revs but it's a manual, does this effect just DSG or manual too? Also could someone post the latest relevant software info so I can go armed to the dealership tomoz, and has anyone been successful in getting the update from anywhere up north/north west? Many thanks, Kris.
     
  28. Csaba

    Csaba New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2015
    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    1
    Hi TerrraFirma,
    Welcome in the owners club. I have a 3.2 vr6 quattro as well as yours and mine is manual as yours. So I am pretty sure that both manual and auto has this issue.
    Mine got sorted in the end. But it took me a long time too. I live in Southampton, I called audi many times and they were useless, unable to help me. They were keep telling me that there is no such flush available...however there is, but ofcourse they won't listen for a random guy like myself...anyway... I have got an independent garage here where I always took my cars, they are specialised for audi,bmw,porsche. They did flush my ecu with a new update but unfortunately I don't know what is the serial number. Also they did set up the throttle response as well. And after this, the car runs and revs very well. No more hesitating around the 2k rev. I know you live far from here, but if you could check with your independent garages like mine. I am sure they will do it for you.
    Best regards and good luck
     
  29. TerrraFirma

    TerrraFirma New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    2
    Many thanks pal, I read a few pages back that this was a dealer only fix? If yours is fixed though, who am I to question. I will definatly start asking around, what is it they would need, just the update cd? Seems a bit specific for an indie garage...
     
  30. TerrraFirma

    TerrraFirma New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    2
    After being in touch with audi uk they say there is nothing they can do and that they trust the judgment of their "fully trained technicians, with the latest equipment" Looks like I'm going to get guinnie pigged into replacing this that an the other to no avail like some of you chaps did a fee years ago. Well, financially that's not possible, so looks like I've to live with a jerky car, shame for my first Audi experience.
     
  31. -Ju-

    -Ju- Well-Known Member
    VCDS Map User Audi S3

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,982
    Likes Received:
    248
    Have you been into the dealers? Always best face to face as it's harder to be fobbed of.
    Do you know what Ecu and software revision you have atm, If your anywhere near Bradford I'd happily scan it for you.
     
  32. TerrraFirma

    TerrraFirma New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    2
    I'm in blackburn but thanks for the offer pal, im sure there's someone local who I can get to plug it in for the sake of getting a serial number. Haven't been face to face no, as I've been trying to sort it out while at work, will head to blackburn audi on sat.
     
  33. TerrraFirma

    TerrraFirma New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    2
    Hi lads, right, had my ECU scanned this morn an this is what I've got...

    022906032CA MOTRONIC ME7.1.1 5629
    Coding: 0000172
    WSC: 006435
    ECU TYPE: PETROL_CODES_ONLY

    This mean anything to anyone? I've looked at the info on page 16 and that confirms the ECU number is compatible but past that I don't know what i'm looking at. Cheers
     
  34. TerrraFirma

    TerrraFirma New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    2
    Anyone? -ju-?
     
  35. -Ju-

    -Ju- Well-Known Member
    VCDS Map User Audi S3

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,982
    Likes Received:
    248
    Your software code is 5629 so yes your ecu will accept the update, simple as that.
     
  36. TerrraFirma

    TerrraFirma New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    2
    Many thanks, off to do battle with Audi then. Failing that I've seen a place called VAGManchester who reckon they've all the official equipment etc for such jobs so hopefully one or the other. Thanks all.
     
  37. Steventyler

    Steventyler New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2016
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    5
    Hello everybody, I just found this thread yesterday and read it all, just brillant.
    I'm from France and here we do not have so much V6 A3, so the dealers are a bit noobs on it.
    I have exactly the same symptoms than Ju and coxylaad. I went to the dealer and their answer after a little test trip was, I need to change the FLYWHEEL. My car has a manual gearbox.

    I scanned my car with VAG-Com, here is the result :

    Address 01: Engine Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
    Part No SW: 022 906 032 GH HW: Bas isX 3
    Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G 7000
    Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUX7Z0E1FND004
    Coding: 0000172
    Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
    VCID: 57A49C377F0D91BA0E0A151-8002

    1 Fault Found:
    16395 - Bank 1: Camshaft A (Intake)
    P0011 - 008 - Retard Setpoint not Reached (Over-Advanced) - Intermittent
    Readiness: 0000 0000

    this code showed up to :

    Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530-V1.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 D HW: 1K0 907 951
    Component: Gateway H08 0100
    Revision: 08 Serial number: 25001051290479
    Coding: FD3F07CA072102
    Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
    VCID: 2846EFCB02F3EE4277F06E5-807C

    1 Fault Found:
    00470 - Company Comfort Databus in Single Wire
    011 - Open Circuit
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01101011
    Fault Priority: 3
    Fault Frequency: 254
    Reset counter: 103
    Mileage: 108430 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2015.07.27
    Time: 09:00:27

    The measuring blocks 208 gives -1°KW and 209 -3°KW
    block 90 seems to works with no major delay but block 91 intake is constantly doing adjustement and is always way out of the setpoint.

    Can anybody tell me if my ECU can be reflashed by the dealer ?
    After that assuming what I read on this post, my car should run much better. as the issue comes from map overheating the lambda sensor, do I need to replace them to?

    thanks for all the research you did, this will help us to save a lot of money as the engine coding only costs about 100euros at the dealer.

    thanks all
     
  38. Steventyler

    Steventyler New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2016
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    5
    in addition my chain does not make any noise.
     
  39. -Ju-

    -Ju- Well-Known Member
    VCDS Map User Audi S3

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,982
    Likes Received:
    248
    I'm not sure if the update is suitable for you tbh, your on software revision 7000 which is a later one.
    What year is your A3?
    I did get the intake camshaft fault like you though before the chain was replaced and from what I can remember, it didn't come back afterwards. It's a long time since I owned my 3.2's though so I don't fully remember all the little niggles. I can remember the noise from the V6 though :rockwoot:
     
  40. Steventyler

    Steventyler New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2016
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    5
    Thanks for your reply, My A3 is 04/2005 manual gearbox.

    I though there was a 8087 version software...I think the camshaft code is the issue for me as when the engine is running, I can see the measuring block 91 (intake) is constantly changing where the exhaust almost stays at the same value.

    this can be the ECU which trys to correct the intake value because of a bad Lambda value reading or am I wrong?

    If the chain is streched, the intake and exhaust would have the same behaviour I think.
    The other thing would only be a broken teeth of the camgear but that is very rare.

    The problem is that the dealers are completely unable to solve the problem..
    this is really annoying, this engine should not have such issue...
     
  41. -Ju-

    -Ju- Well-Known Member
    VCDS Map User Audi S3

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,982
    Likes Received:
    248
    Yeah reading back through it your right Steve yours should have a later revision available. Have you been down to the dealers and asked them to do the update?
    I think there is a later tpi that refers to the same problem, it goes something like gearbox hesitation. It's mentioned on the forum somewhere.
    Best to visit the dealer personally and push for the update!
     
  42. Steventyler

    Steventyler New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2016
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    5
    Really thank you Julian you must be a real nice person in your life.
    I've been to the dealer a couple of time and need to book in for the update. Last time was 3 days ago and the garage chief could not answer if the update available is. If it is possible the cost is only 100€.
    Thanks for the later tpi, will have a look at the thread.
    I think in the 2 next weeks i'll get the update. Now the updates are made online by the dealer instead of old CD.

    Will let you know what the update brings to the car.
    If the issue is solved i will make my custom exhaust to really have the good noise of the vr6 fully open haha
     
    Tekneq and -Ju- like this.

Share This Page