well spoke to the garage that did my car and they are adament that the rear should be -2 deg. So im after anyones printout of geometry they have had done to prove a point. They reccon they have used the right settings but are willing to look at it again sat morning if I get no joy then its off to Jbs. they are letting me move the bars to the lower position but I think they just fobbed me off and are going to argue more sat morning. there = their oops I am in nights mode and the neighbour is doing building work hence sod all sleep.