S3 is better looking from the outside
Golf R is better looking on the inside
that's pretty much it. i'd go for the Golf tho, because it's nav is better and it's not going to be an "old shape" car in a year or two
he was asking about the performance of the cars side by side if mapped and standard not about the actual cars as a whole
Agree with you the GTI is a better looking car. Not weedy at all tho?!
If I bought one I'd be putting a GTI kit on it
211bhp is pretty weedy dont you think?
Most of the sector below, Clios etc are around 200bhp out of the box nowadays.
VW were putting 200bhp inthe Mk5 6 years ago!
11bhp doesnt seem much like progress for a modern day hot hatch with the waistline of a Golf.
Just doesnt seem like progress.
Nice car, weak legs.
cheers
Paul
I'd go mk5 ED30. Quicker than the mk6 and nicely specced and being a special, will hold value very well.
Just look at the mk4 25th Annis still fetching 8k at 8 years old with 80k on them!
I'd go mk5 ED30. Quicker than the mk6 and nicely specced and being a special, will hold value very well.
Just look at the mk4 25th Annis still fetching 8k at 8 years old with 80k on them!
that's one thing i kinda dislike about this place - headline figures aren't everything. .
Pretty condescending remark that mate.
In fact a pretty ignorant generalisation.
Aim them elsewere in future please.
In the interest of making my point I will ignore the comment.
For me 200bhp just isnt enough. Had it, fun wore off very quickly.
Remap to 250bhp, that felt MUCH better. More satisfying to drive, more of a thrill, whether it was faster on a track, I couldnt tell you and it didnt matter.
Then 250bhp wasnt enough.
Now I have a 300bhp S3, and it fells just right and has for a good while.
Whats it like on the Top Gear track? Who cares, its FEELS really good on the road. And thats alot to do with the power.
My point is that Im a hot hatch buyer and have been for years.
I am fan of the Golf and have owned a couple.
But for VW to roll out its iconic GTi will a `paltry` 211bhp is completely underwhelming.
I for one, would not buy one on this basis.
cheers
Paul
Headline figures are a much better barometer in that respect.
So, looking around at the Golfs peers with 2010 glasses on, then 211bhp isnt a lot.
I agree its not the `be all` and `end all` but its a fair assumption that if a car has high headline figures then it will Feel quick.
Usually because it is!
VW should at the very least be putting what the ED30 had under bonnet.
The real problem with all these cars is weight ! be it 250bhp or 211bhp unless you put that in context its doesnt mean a lot. I might be wrong but I think I once worked out that the 160bhp 16v mk II golf had an equal power to weight ratio as the 250bhp V6 A3.. the modern car is so lardy with all the extra weight of airbags/Aircon/Catalytic converters/electric everything its never going to have that snap your head back feel you got with carbs/accelerator pump and tin can bodywork..
Its always cheaper to shed weight than add power and its the same thing.
211bhp isnt much in a modern Golf.
Im sure Sub will find another dozen or so of topic points loosely related to my comments to argue the toss about.