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    This is terribly sad. For all his faults and failings, he has never made excuses or tried to blame anyone but himself for the tragedy that has been the second half of his life.

    I for one will have a tear in my eye when he goes. His genius lit up my childhood.
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    sorry to sound like a completly shallow c00nt. but i hope he just dies. he was given a second chance and he abused it, therefore he dont deserve to be blocking a bed in a hospital now
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    sorry to sound like a completly shallow c00nt. but i hope he just dies. he was given a second chance and he abused it, therefore he dont deserve to be blocking a bed in a hospital now

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    I'm gonna have to second that...
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    Same here...

    Basically he's robbed someone else of a life - someone who wouldn't have abused the gift of another chance.

    Rant over... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/soap.gif
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    Basically he's robbed someone else of a life - someone who wouldn't have abused the gift of another chance.

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    Hehehe, such blind ignorance. We all have faults, we all have our vices. Addictions are certainly one of societies prime evils but it's not fair to level all the blame at the individual when it's often societal factors that contribute the most.

    Get off the bloody soapboxes guys and open yer eyes!
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    Are you guys as dumb as you sound!!! The guy is mentally sick with Alcoholism! Do you think he wakes up in the morning and goes hey i must get really hammered and have a good laugh....no he wakes up and feels he needs to drink because he always has and it has taken over and ruined his life and others around him. Anyone who thinks that an illness like that or any drug dependency condition is done for fun then your really stupid. He wanted to stop but he couldn't. Obviously you guys have led very sheltered lives to make comments like that.
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    /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/swear.gif me! I've agreed with CJ for a change... Blimey.
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    Shock horror!!! What do you mean for a change??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bang.gif
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    [Nov 24, 2005]
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    sorry to sound like a completly shallow c00nt. but i hope he just dies. he was given a second chance and he abused it, therefore he dont deserve to be blocking a bed in a hospital now

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    It's better to keep quiet & have people think you are a fool, than to speak out and remove all vestiges of doubt.
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    Hehehe, such blind ignorance. We all have faults, we all have our vices. Addictions are certainly one of societies prime evils but it's not fair to level all the blame at the individual when it's often societal factors that contribute the most.

    Get off the bloody soapboxes guys and open yer eyes!

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    I'm not trying to point the finger entirely at him - apologies if that's the way I came across - and I do realise peer pressure has a lot to answer for. It just makes me wonder if there are people waiting for transplants for medical reasons, how did he manage to get to the front of the queue?
    There was no malice intended. I'm gonna shut up now, sorry if my comments have offended. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shutup.gif
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    sorry to sound like a completly shallow c00nt. but i hope he just dies. he was given a second chance and he abused it, therefore he dont deserve to be blocking a bed in a hospital now

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    ...well he is going to..as for my understanding of you hoping that of an ill person? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/noidea.gif

    hmmm - extremely sad indeed. I totally disagree with the posts of him having his chance. He had the opportunity - yes. Part of me believes he did try as best he could but a life that hit the highest of highs only amplified by the lowest of lows. Remember in his adolescence and growing up, he was the 'David Beckham' of today. He took for granted that life style, and through all the problems even with the support of others ended to face this sad time. Why are people so quick to judge? Do you think he enjoyed living a self-abused life? The consequences are so much more known in life now, yet I know people with asthma that start smoking cigarettes - figure that out. It was an addiction, like most addictions: one that the mind did not care for the consequences to the body - as that was the 'cure' to remedy his dwelling sadness.

    As for the spare bed for someone else, I know you only said it to stress the point and didn’t mean it literally (I hope), though I don't think it really works like that either. Forgive me if anyone knows other stories, but I don't know of people being on deaths door to be refused a position in hospital, they surely always find a place for those that are unfortunate to need it.

    Perhaps we should all try to forget the sadness this man and his family have faced over the years and remember him for the character and footballer he was: a charismatic entertainer and true legend.

    Just my opinion.

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    He`ll always be a football `legend` as far as i`m concerned.
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    sorry to sound like a completly shallow c00nt. but i hope he just dies. he was given a second chance and he abused it, therefore he dont deserve to be blocking a bed in a hospital now

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    ...well he is going to..as for my understanding of you hoping that of an ill person? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/noidea.gif


    Rob

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    i work in care looking after the war vetrians who fourght day and night for years living in complete fear just for our country. george best was given another chance and abused it, hes blocking a bed that by now could of done over 20 hip replacements (for example) that would of given 20 old people the quality of life they deserve in their last remaining years, rather then living with crippling pain and not being able to do the simple things like walk to the kitchen to make a drink
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    i work in care looking after the war vetrians who fourght day and night for years living in complete fear just for our country. george best was given another chance and abused it, hes blocking a bed that by now could of done over 20 hip replacements (for example) that would of given 20 old people the quality of life they deserve in their last remaining years, rather then living with crippling pain and not being able to do the simple things like walk to the kitchen to make a drink

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    He's in a private bed. Let's remember that 1 high need patient seldom affects the waiting lists of other specialists...
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    It is very sad to hear about his demise buts lets just remember it is self inflicted. I am fully aware it is an illness of course but the treatment was available to help him beat it, but he had to want to do it.

    A footballing legend he may be but as a human being he is no more important than anyone else including the drunk on the park bench or the junkie on the street, they get no sympathy from most people so why should he ?
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    I can forgive people their ignorance, but the mean-minded spite and downright nastiness of some of the comments expressed here are a little harder to accept.
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    He`ll always be a football `legend` as far as i`m concerned.

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    You and me both...and, I suspect, anyone who loves the game of football.
    The man was (is?) a footballing genius that brought pleasure to everyone who had the chance to watch him ply his trade...

    Things may not have gone according to plan later on in life...but you can't take away the fact that he is one of the greatest footballers ever to have lived.
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    I love the way some people have total disregard to what others might think!

    At the end of the day guys, he’s a person to with a family to!

    Some comments on here were a little harsh!

    If your father was ill in bed due to alcoholism and only given 24hours to live, I don’t think you would like some of the comments flying about!

    Have a little respect for a dying man!
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    Personally I'll probably be down the pub with a pint of best when he kicks it!

    I have no sympathy for drug addictions, they all wound up there, he was given a chance, and if this were somebody who was not famous no one here at as.net would give a toss.

    I’m not one to normally judge but some of you say we are ignorant - well actually everybody is given a choice, everybody make choices, he was ignorant of the fact that alcohol abuse would not be fatal yet he went through the whole transplant...for what...I would say you guys are ignorant for wanting to believe in a "dead hero"... just because he was a man who kicked girly balls around a football pitch...

    Get over your self’s.

    Yes it is sad, but only because he made the wrong choices and some people think life is all too harsh... pfffffffffffff. Did I say choices?
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    Have a little respect for a dying man!

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    Here, here!
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    I have no sympathy for drug addictions, they all wound up there, he was given a chance, and if this were somebody who was not famous no one here at as.net would give a toss.


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    You may be correct...certainly if it were you I would care less...

    But it isn't...it's one of the greatest football players ever...and to many millions who he entertained for years, that DOES make a difference.
    The man wrote the book on footballers as we now know them...and rightly or wrongly, I think a little more respect is due.
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    Just been announced on SSN George Best has passed away, very very sad indeed.
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    Not good...

    Hopefully now people will remember him as the genius footballing legend he was...rather than the way he was latterly.

    Just been watching some footage of him at his best...brilliant!

    RIP Georgie...
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    It is such a shame for a such footballing great to die at only 59.

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    RIP George.
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    It is sad when a 'legend' passes away.................. whatever his faults, and they were many, a 'legend' he was!
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    I can see both sides of the coin, he made some bad decisions, was given chances to turn it around and didn't take them. To me, this shows just how desperate his situation was. He was ill, desperate and it has eventually caught up with him.

    But, at the end of the day, the greatest British footballer of all time has today died. I'm obviously too young to have seen him play, but being a bit of a footy "geek" i've seen many clips, games and goals involving the man. He really does deserve to be up there with Pele and Maradonna (who's fall from grace was arguably worse). If he had been born in a larger footballing nation (no disrespect to anyone form Northern Ireland) and played a more notable role in a world cup, I'd imagine the world would see the man in a similiar light.

    To be honest, I was never that sympathetic towards him and his problems until he recently became ill. Those that can't see that their comments hurt not only the family, but milliions of people are being ignorant and short sighted. I'm genuinely saddened by the death of Gerorge Best.
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    R.I.P
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    I have no sympathy for drug addictions, they all wound up there, he was given a chance, and if this were somebody who was not famous no one here at as.net would give a toss.


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    You may be correct...certainly if it were you I would care less...

    But it isn't...it's one of the greatest football players ever...and to many millions who he entertained for years, that DOES make a difference.
    The man wrote the book on footballers as we now know them...and rightly or wrongly, I think a little more respect is due.

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    It makes no difference to me when one famous person (more probably so due to his fckued up life beyond football) dies when there are so many people dying everyday for pointless wars etc. I think some people need to grasp a little perspective.

    Anyway as he's a dead man now - RIP - that’s it as far as I'm concerned.

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    [Nov 25, 2005]
    Michael Parkinson's obituary to his friend.

    George Best

    They say you should never meet your heroes. Well I did, about three years ago. He was sober, and he was a warm, intelligent, witty and knowledgable man. He believed he had been blessed, not cursed.

    God bless you, George. [​IMG]
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    sorry to sound like a completly shallow c00nt. but i hope he just dies. he was given a second chance and he abused it, therefore he dont deserve to be blocking a bed in a hospital now

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    Yeah perhaps we will remember your kind words, if ever you or one of your family ever becomes addicted to something that recks lifes.
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    just read the whole of this thread, and cannot believe some of the comments on here, yes george best was given a second chance, which he did not take, but unless we too have suffered with the same illness we cannot comment, we do not know the hell that he may have gone through trying to beat his demons, Like i said good luck, when your son/daughter or close member of your family surffers a illness such as alcholism or drugs, i suppose your be to busy to stand by and give them any support.
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    just read the whole of this thread, and cannot believe some of the comments on here, yes george best was given a second chance, which he did not take, but unless we too have suffered with the same illness we cannot comment, we do not know the hell that he may have gone through trying to beat his demons, Like i said good luck, when your son/daughter or close member of your family surffers a illness such as alcholism or drugs, i suppose your be to busy to stand by and give them any support.

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    I think you are mis-reading some of the posts, ok some were a little harsh, but the point I, and I think some others are trying to make is that just because he is 'George Best footballing legend' doesnt make him any more important than the other thousands of ordinary people who may be suffering the same problems.

    Also it must be remembered he did have the opportunity to sort the problem out on several occasions but blew it, others don't get that chance.

    I genuinely offer his family my condolances and hope he does indeed RIP, but this is no more than I would offer any other person suffering the same.

    Anyone would think some of you on here know him and his family personally......or maybe you do ?
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    didnt know him personally, never saw him play football in the flesh, dont/didnt idolise him,
    I dont think any one can comment on second chance as cant see where people are getting the impression that he got preferential treatment, If you can prove it let me know, be intresting to read.
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    "Also it must be remembered he did have the opportunity to sort the problem out on several occasions but blew it, others don't get that chance."

    Can you prove others dont get the same chances, i dont think your next door neighbour would make front page news if they had the same problems as they are not a renowned football star, unless of course you live next door to a renowned footballer.
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    I think you are mis-reading some of the posts, ok some were a little harsh, but the point I, and I think some others are trying to make is that just because he is 'George Best footballing legend' doesnt make him any more important than the other thousands of ordinary people who may be suffering the same problems.


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    Well I think it does...
    I believe that someone who made such a big difference in a sport that brings joy to millions, deserves to be remembered by millions.

    The impact of an everyday joe dying of the same has no less impact on their family...but it doesn't affect as many people nor is it likely to justify (to those who choose to make their thoughts known) as many positive comments about his contribution to the history of the modern era.

    People make history in many ways - like it or not, footballers do make history - and George Best was right up there with the very best of them...it's only natural that his death will affect many more people than an average Joe. That's just the way people are...so in that respect, he was more important than most...and deserves to be remembered as such.
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    [Nov 25, 2005]
    Since this thread got petty, personal and insulting (yes, me included) I've pruned it down...let's try to keep it to the subject in hand shall we?

    Failing that, we'll edit it again and lock it...as it will achieve nothing by slipping back into a bunfight.

    Thanks....
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    George rest in peace! You have been admired by thousands, you entertained on and off the pitch. Suffer no more...you will never be forgotten.
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    Not going to get into the politics of this thread , just gona say its a shame the man has died , a natural tallent , who will be missed , my heart goes out to his family and close friends ,
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    RIP George Best!

    Such a sad loss...
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    Ye RIP Best, legend he was, shame he abused himself....
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