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Full LED Headlights Vs LED daytime running lights

ahfh1 Sep 25, 2013

  1. Daveotto

    Daveotto Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Floret Silver Gold Supporter Audi S3 S3 Saloon

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    I understand the principle of less light scatter with yellow light but when you mix the yellow light from fogs with the far stronger whiter Xenon light the white light dominates, even in the foreground where the fog lamps are supposed to be working. The one time I have experienced fog when driving with xenons I noticed no difference/benefit when I put my fog lights on and visibility was around 100M through a thick fog patch.

    The xenon's even in fog are far better for seeing and being seen, than standard halogens and not having Halogen fog lamps cannot be an issue if you don't get them when ordering LED's

    To be honest I doubt I will ever turn on my front fogs now as current experience says xenons are good in there own right in fog for seeing and being seen, and I am changing the lamps purely for the aestheitcs when you lock and unlock the car, unless someone convinces me there is a genuine safety reason not to do so
     
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  2. the_lecht_rocks

    the_lecht_rocks Well-Known Member

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    Do you get fogs with the xenon light as standard and no fog with LEDs....?
     
  3. Daveotto

    Daveotto Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Floret Silver Gold Supporter Audi S3 S3 Saloon

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    yep, can't see any fog lights in any S3 pictures and this is the quote from the brochure "also includes additional air intake funnels in place of the front fog lights" and all other A3's I have seen with xenons have halogen fog lights, including mine.
     
  4. the_lecht_rocks

    the_lecht_rocks Well-Known Member

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    thought as as much, I've gone led but not sure if there's any performance advantage. I like the blue white of xenon personally....
     
  5. paullowther

    paullowther Well-Known Member

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    Lmg and i want it now like this.
  6. the_lecht_rocks

    the_lecht_rocks Well-Known Member

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  7. paullowther

    paullowther Well-Known Member

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    They do both look very white, unlike the xenon blue and the halogen yellow
     
  8. paullowther

    paullowther Well-Known Member

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    Just found a review from a German bloke on another forum who talks about his impressions after 1500km with the car.

    Loosely translated - his impression of the LED headlights.

    The LED lights have really impressed me. Optical 1a anyway, I find it also very functional. Curve light, illumination of the road, etc. I really like. Not a quantum leap to the xenon in S3 8P, but I regret not having taken them.
     
  9. snakehips

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    They don't actually swivel on bends like adaptive Xenons though do they?
     
  10. paullowther

    paullowther Well-Known Member

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    I believe they do. They also extend their range when travelling over 68mph.
     
  11. snakehips

    snakehips Well-Known Member

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    Yes I'm aware of the extended range and the junction lights etc, just wasn't aware of any moving parts or anything that that adapts on bends. If they do then that's just a bonus!
     
  12. paullowther

    paullowther Well-Known Member

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  13. jet_andy

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    It may just be done electronically, by switching on and off different LEDs?
     
  14. jet_andy

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    I wouldn't say fog lamps are yellow, just that they are the colour of standard, inexpensive halogen bulbs. Years ago you used to see real 'yellow' headlights, supposed to reduce glare I think, but they didn't stay around for long. Not sure they're even legal now.

    You can sit for hours looking this up on the web, with varying opinions, but most seem to concur that 'yellow' is not necessarily better. You get less glare and reflection, but you're putting less light out in the first place.

    I saw one post that said they were 'yellow' by design.

    If that's the case, why do they not use 'yellow' fog lights with LED headlights. Fog lamps are gone and replaced with 'all-weather' lights. It states these are in a separate housing - are they still LED though? :confused:
     
  15. snakehips

    snakehips Well-Known Member

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    I never quite understood what the all weather lights actually are. If they really are "all weather" then why are they not the default main lights and the rest could be thrown away?
     
  16. paullowther

    paullowther Well-Known Member

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    Pictures of LED lights!


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  17. snowfree52

    snowfree52 Full LED baby !

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    no they don't but there are LED that switch on when you turn
     
  18. the_lecht_rocks

    the_lecht_rocks Well-Known Member

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  19. Helifella

    Helifella Co-Driver ~ Hattie Staff Member Moderator Regional Rep VCDS Map User

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    Firstly, I understood the reason for fog lights is to turn your dipped headlights off and just have sidelights & fogs. As the lower position of the fogs is meant to illuminate the road & verge beneath the layer of fog so as not to reflect back off the fog droplets, dazzling the driver.

    The LED headlights are on a matrix system, which to me means it will illuminate individual chips (LED's) to achieve the desired cast of light. Tied in a front mounted sensor it will reduce the dazzle to oncoming traffic, which everyone moans at with Xenon drivers.

    I had the bendy xenons in a V50 prior to my A3. I miss the bendy feature and the light output as I am quite disappointed with the A3 xenons - especially high beam as this is more of a narrow hotspot than a broad spread.

    I hope I have enough pennies in the pot to spec LED's on my next Audi which I aim to get in a years time.
     
  20. cemerson

    cemerson Well-Known Member Team Cosmos quattro Audi A3 S-line owners group TDi DSG

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    You can spec adaptive xenons on the A3 no problem... I really like them tbh, and they seem to do a pretty good job of not dazzling people from the looks of the beam height
     
  21. thesmileyone

    thesmileyone Active Member Audi A3

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    If xenon plus are standard on S-Lines then why are they a £1500 option for S-Line models?
     
  22. arad85

    arad85 Well-Known Member Team V6 Audi S5 Black Edition

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    They are standard and not a £1500 extra (in fact, I don't know what you are looking at that is a £1500 extra) The s-line option is £295 for adaptive headlights. You can't add the adaptive headlights to LED lights hence the option in the brochure (PXA) is: Adaptive headlights with Xenon Plus headlights.
     
  23. Kingfisher

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    LED headlights are £1500 extra, or were on the Audi site about a week ago.
    Like front fogs, seems no S3 has them ( irrespective of headlamp style) as the space is used as an additional air intake.
     
  24. arad85

    arad85 Well-Known Member Team V6 Audi S5 Black Edition

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    Brochure price for LEDs is £795 - can only add to the s-line and s3. LED light package can be added to the SE/sport for £2k but comes with Light and rain sensor package (PU8) and Interior lighting package (QQ4)
     
  25. Kingfisher

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    yep, just seen that!
    I wouldn't have been looking at anything other than S or possibly S Line : )
     
  26. Rick Draper

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    Does anyone know if the rear lights are different if you spec LED headlights?
     
  27. the_lecht_rocks

    the_lecht_rocks Well-Known Member

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    no, stay the same sad faced strip LED.
     
  28. cemerson

    cemerson Well-Known Member Team Cosmos quattro Audi A3 S-line owners group TDi DSG

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    They do change, not from Xenon but from Halogen they do. I think Xenon and LED headlights share the same rear lights.
     
  29. Louay

    Louay Well-Known Member

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    Any pics to clarify?
     
  30. cemerson

    cemerson Well-Known Member Team Cosmos quattro Audi A3 S-line owners group TDi DSG

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    Well, halogen doesn't come with LED rear lights for a start, as they are included in the Xenon light pack. No pics though, no.
     
  31. jet_andy

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    Pics in this thread
     
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  32. Rick Draper

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    Thank you for the info. I just wanted to check as on my current 1 series BMW fitted rear lights with light bars when Xenons were specked over halogen lights. I just wanted to check that Audi did nothing similar to the rear lights when going from Xenon to LED. Especially as I spotted a R8 with rather fancy rear indicators a few weeks ago. They were like the nightrider light, flicking from inside to out like a arrow.
     
  33. cemerson

    cemerson Well-Known Member Team Cosmos quattro Audi A3 S-line owners group TDi DSG

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    Yep, those are just on the R8. Someone on here ages ago was talking about trying to mod his A3 lights to do the same though.
     
  34. Kingfisher

    Kingfisher Active Member

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    must be somebody with electronic design experience who could fix that ! I'd certainly go for such a mod !!
     
  35. paullowther

    paullowther Well-Known Member

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    It's known as a 'sweeping' indicator and yes, I want them!
     
  36. ivicyrusivi

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    Ditto, sweeping indicators would be the nuts!
     
  37. paullowther

    paullowther Well-Known Member

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