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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by jojo, Nov 12, 2007.
yeah petrol prices in Aberdeen is crazy but tbh so are the rates if you work in the industry!
Filled up tonight at Hatfield Tesco which was at £1.04p for diesel (although like jojo I had one of those nice 5p off vouchers so 99p for now!).
As for the previous discussion in this thread about taking action, I think boycotts are ineffective, even if it is Esso and BP. We need to go back to the fuel protests we saw in 2000. Strangely, the cost of fuel has rocketed since then but where have the haulage operators and road lobbyists gone?
I agree we do not have enough say in what goes on in this country....
It did cause lots of problems but its the only way to get your point across
Filled up my Golf with unleaded at Shell today, 100.9p/litre, it was chocablok with queues on all pumps, I had to wait 10 mins to get to the pump!
I don't know what you guys are complaining about, our fuel prices have been over £1 per litre for the last 18 months! In fact, diesel at the moment is 118.9p per litre - which is just daylight robbery!
Mate Running on veg oil carries the same penalties as running on red diesel !! The customs deem that You are simply dodging the duties that must be paid for fuel used for road going vehicles. So if You get dipped at one of the increasing number of roadside check points then You are in the crap !!
Put simply its the government Who rake in the lions share of Our ridiculously high fuel bills. Yet our roads are on a severely rapid decline with seemingly no resurfacing or repairs carried out !
Its a bit like mail orderring and paying for a £100 pair of Nikes and recieving just the bloody laces !!
Rant over Thats better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't see how that can be true. Red diesel is deliberately subsidised by the Inland revenue, so if you're not using it on a tractor or commercial boat then you are obviously defrauding HMRC. Using vegetable oil is completely different, you haven't bought anything, so how can it be illegal?
If I choose to grow my own tobacco and smoke it am I supposed to give HMRC a cut? And what would that cut be seeing as it's based on a per centage. I'll happily pay 70% to the IR, as it'll be 70& of nothing = nothing.
No, you really are meant to declare how much old vegetable oil you use and pay the appropriate duty. Believe it or not, that's the law... Now how that sits with trying to reduce your carbon footprint and encouranging people to use more sustainable types of fuel is beyond me.
But how can they tax something as a per centage of it's value, when it has no value?
As I understand it, your allowed 2500 litres before you have to pay tax on the stuff, thats from spending an evening on the Net looking at websites, now of course the internet isnt always 100% accurate so take that with a pinch of salt, for most people using a 75% diesel / 25% veg oil mix thats more than enough for a year, the starting upcosts are minimal, some jerry cans, filters etc assuming your getting oil from a chippie or restaurant.
Guess it needs some serious consideration and research.
Because its Labour and they love nothing more than taxing us to death so they can throw our money away...
No I mean how can they work out what the tax is, when the product has no value? They can't apply a per centage so is it just a flat fee per litre?
it's £1.09 / £1.10 for diesel in my neck of the woods and £1.05 for normal petrol in most garages.
I try to use the tesco 99 ron stuff in the S3 but even with the 5p off voucher I think i saved about £3 on my last tank
almost makes me glad i hardly use the car most weeks (but i do shell out £200 a month on a train ticket)
I wouldn't recommend you try mixing used veg oil with diesel, unless its something like an old escort van or something with little worth. There's a guy at work with me and he has installed a full blown conversion on his Golf GT TDi. He has a seperate tank for the veg oil, and he has it all wired up to a switch. I was speaking to him recently, and he said that you have to either heat up the veg oil before it reaches the injectors, using possibly an additional glow plug maybe, to thin the oil down. He has it wired, so that he only switches to veg oil when the engine is up to temperature.
He did say however that before he installed the conversion, he was running his car on a mixture in the one tank, but using clean bottled veg oil from the supermarket, instead of used veg oil from the chippy.
There's loads of info out there on the web on this :icon_thumright:
Yeah but not all of it is concise though....
I think the things you have to look for are the pump (its recommended that its a Bosch) and the temperature, when its cold/frosty the vegi oil gets thicker. Also the filters will need changing a bit more often especially in the first few months, using a mixture seems to flush lots of shite out.
This is all theoretical btw, I dont own a diesel car, i just like the idea of some cheap rate motoring and saving the planet, you get the added bonus of sticking 2 fingers up to Brown too!
Normal Shell Diesel has jumped from 90.9 to over 104.9 inn the last 2 weeks
Bloody hell Mate You are hard work arent You !!!! Lets start again ?? You are dodging the duty on the full price diesel by putting veg oil in the tank !! So therefore if You get dipped and are found to be using veg oil You are up shit creek !! Just as You would be if caught using red diesel !
It has nothing to do with what the veg oil is worth ist the full pound of flesh You are not paying by using the said oil which creates the offence !
Quote from http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm
The rules changed on 01 July 2007. They used to be cumbersome and require that small producers (home users are just very small producers) register and submit monthly returns. Now, if you use less than 2500 litres of oil a year, you don't have to register or pay duty!
Which then links to:
I'm always weary of these campaigns as they are usually by somebody wanting payback on a company, Riots or Strikes is the best way to get the governments attention, otherwise they know we'll moan and groan but still bend over and take it...
No you'll know when I'm being hard work.
I'm not dodging the duty on diesel as I'm not buying anything. If I'm not buying anything how can I be dodging a tax?
Your analogy of red diesel is completely different, so not relevant. If I'm using red diesel then I'm buying red diesel and then using it in a vehicle that's not allowed to use it = breaking the law.
If I choose to put my veg oil in my fuel tank in my car it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone. If I'm buying veg oil for this purpose then yes I can see how the law can be applied. And reading up on it it would seem the law is there purely for commercial users, not Joe Public.
i.e. if I grow my own tobbacco for my own use then that's fine, if I start selling it then I need to abide by the law.
If you want to be squeaky clean with the taxman then do you realise you are supposed to declare free coffee at work, free magazines at work etc etc, but does anybody do that? I don't think so. As for being "dipped" in 20 years of motoring I've never seen or heard of such a thing so I'll take my chances.
95p, if only haha!
1.34 unleaded momentum at my local tesco... cant believe how much the prices have gone up and keep creeping up every year... I bet you the government and fuel companies just make money out of us by creating "panic" situations... they tell us about a fuel shortage... not to panic... the prices go up... and they make a killing during that time!
When the last fuel crisis happened our local shell was charing 1.58 for unleaded!!! slap me and hand me back to me mama!
I noticed my local Shell in a 3 week period went from 1.29 to 1.34.