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forge 007p or 008p?

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by tonks s3, Jun 10, 2012.

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    I realize the 008 is a newer version is there much of a difference in performance? Or just a different design?
    Cheers :)
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    007p is great,not alot of difference between the two,i think the design to remove replace the spring choice is better on 008,and same with any redeveloped product,there will be bits they redesign for a reason.so i would recomend 008.
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    007PA for me I much prefer the adjustable boost pipe entry.
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    Cheers guys think I'll go for the 008 its only £10 more alsoy S3 is standard at the moment but am going to map it soon to hopefully to 270 which spring should I put in? Sorry for my ignorance I'm new to this :)
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    Yellow spring mate, even on standard map.
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    Cool cheers mate :)
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    I'm running a splitter r atm would it be ok to get the remap with that and then swap over once the 008 comes? Or will I get more bhp with the 008 on remap? Cheers :)
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    You should be fine on the yellow spring once remapped :) as I've recently learnt, there is a forge outlet on eBay and you can get a full spring and shims set for £22 delivered :)
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    Cool thanks guys! :)
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    008 comes with a spring kit, shims and a Forge keyring IIRC...

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    Yes it does. I got one about 3 months ago. Standard map & I have the yellow spring fitted. It comes with 3 or 4 shims, the forge keyring and 3 springs to choose from; a green (weak), yellow (medium) and blue (strong) and also an allen key for the lid.

    It will come with the green spring fitted, I swapped it straight away for the yellow, and then swapped back when someone told me it's very bad for the turbo to have a yellow spring fitted on a standard map, and it ran like ****, so I put the yellow spring back in and never looked back.

    IMO the 008 is the better of the 2 because it's so much easier to swap the springs and it looks awesome! I always thought the 007p looked a bit cheap (sorry 007p fans! lol)

    Hope this helps

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    i was thinking of geting 008p for my b6 a4 1.8t but then heard that messing with the turbo system this way can f**k the car up in a bad way! is this true??
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    Fitting a Forge 007/008 won't harm anything if fitted properly... not having a working dump valve is what will potentially break a turbo and using a atmospheric style valve like a Split-R or BOV leads to running issues on Bosch managment

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    As mentioned the 008 comes with different springs and a fitting kit so a worth while choice in my opinion.

    Damian @ DPM Performance
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    As <tuffty/> says, this is not true. Whoever told you that needs to learn more about engines and turbos. The standard Bosch DV (diverter valve) has a tendency to break, especially when a car is remapped.

    A forge 007p or 008 DV is also a much more efficient design, where a spring and piston is used, apposed to the standard Bosch DV that uses a diaphragm. The efficiency of a DV is it's ability to dump all the pressure that is in the turbo system, into the intake (or to atmosphere in the case of a dump valve or Blow Off Valve) when the throttle is released.

    This stops the boost pressure from backing up in the system, when the throttle body butterfly valve is closed, thus stopping compressor stall, which in extreme circumstances, can snap the turbo shaft.

    This compressor stall (or turbo flutter) is what a lot of people hear on throttle release, when they remap their cars with standard DVs still fitted. Because the standard DV simply cannot get rid of all the excess boost from the increased pressures a remap gives.

    The other side of standard DV failure is that the crappy rubber diaphragm splits and leaks precious boost! Something that alot of the time goes un-noticed until someone fits an aftermarket DV and wonder why their car is so much faster!

    The moral of the story then so to speak, is buy one ;)
    Damian @ DPM Performance has them at a good price :)

    Hope this helps :)

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    yer cheers benjiman, i wont "quote" you as dont want to clog up the thread with big quotes lol, but yes that difinatly helped, i have seen they are a cheap item to buy but like you say "fitted correctly" their great, i wouldnt know where to start, how much would this be fitted? any ideas?
    also one more question, would there be any change in sound once fitted?

    thanks
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    is the yellow spring 15-23 psi?
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    Standard a3 1.8t 150bhp yellow spring?
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    No you'll need a green spring.

    Damian @ DPM Performance
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    Cheers :thumbsup:
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    Forge Motorsport | Alloy Fabrication

    Just incase that doesn't work, the ratings are;


    Valve Spring color coding


    Green - 5-15 PSI


    Yellow - 15-23 PSI


    Blue - 23-30 PSI


    Red - 30 + PSI
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    Hi, not been on for a while, how hard is it to fit one of these valves on an 8p? Thinking f doing this and green panel filter per re map

    Thanks


    Rob
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    Different valve altogether for a TFSI on an 8P

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    Thanks for that tuffty, I was about to buy one, what do I need?:respekt:
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    Don't normally replace them as the Forge one is quite expensive... think its this one

    Forge Motorsport | Alloy Fabrication

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    I know it's expensive but if I'm going to re map I should do this first right? I'm only going stage 1 or is the standard one good enough?
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    Not personally seen a std one go as yet but tend to see more 20v's than TFSI's when I am at Bill's so can't really answer with any authority I'm afraid... I'd ask on the 8P forum as they should be able to guide you a bit better than me :)

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    Ok, thanks for your help.
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    I just picked up a 008 from Forge at the Autosport International show today at the NEC Birmingham .... best show I've been to btw ....

    Anyway, What are the shims for??
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    Altering the spring tension... don't worry about it as all you will need is the green spring... not looked at the 008 internally yet but the 007p's need a shim to cut down the piston volume so they react better... 008 is shallower so may not need it..

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