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    [Sep 19, 2011]
    Still in process of trying to get hold of an audi 80 1.9tdi or 2.0 petrol flywheel, I've been searching eBay and the like and see flywheels for g60 and vr6 engines and they say ideal replacement for 20vT but suspecting they all mean transverse ??, any how they take a 228mm clutch. (But wanna go 240mm).

    So my question is for the guru's of asn what other flywheels are compatible to take an s4 clutch with a bit of modding and secondly the important bit bolt to my crank and go snug in the bell housing.

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    yeh the G60 and VR6 flywheels wont work with a longitudinal engine like ours.

    No standard flywheel takes an S4 clutch. Your only options there are custom units from TTV-Racing or ECS.

    The 1z tdi/2.0 flywheel is designed for a 228mm clutch, but unlike newer flywheel designs its flat so can easily be redrilled to take the larger clutch from an S2.

    There are tonnes of 2.0 and TDi Audi 80's and Coupes breaking on ebay, have you tried these?
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    Yes tried them some have already sold and some are saying they won't split from the engine or the engine and gearbox is still in the car so they can't give me a part number. One has said he has the gearbox removed and he's going to let me no the part number tomorrow still need to go my local breakers and see if they have any.

    Just to clarify on the clutch side of things what options are they besides a S4 B5 clutch ??
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    Depends on the fly you get lol. 1Z fly and you`ve got the S2 3B/S4 V8 with LT cover, TTV/ECS you`ve got the S4 B5 and RS4 B5 clutches. Then ever other clutch and fly kit from America but that starts to amount up.
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    Yeh i tried a few places, some said it had gone already and some quoted ludicrous money, but i finally found a place who did it for 30quid.

    Also the same "1Z" flywheel is used on nearly every 4 cylinder Audi 80/100/Coupe/Cabrio engine produced from 1987 to 1996. 1.6-2.0 petrols and various diesels.
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    Right so if I get the 1Z I need a friction plate from a S4 V8 and an LT clutch cover from ???

    Also I cannot fit the S4 B5 clutch at all even if I get it modded ??
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    The S4 clutch wont fit the 1Z flywheel, its a totally different shape. Its hard to explain without having seen the parts, but the 1Z flywheel is completely flat, the later flywheels are dished, with a raised section where the cover bolts on and the friction material sitting lower down.

    You need two things to use the 1Z flywheel, a 240mm coverplate thats strong enough, which can be found on the 3B engined S2, some 200 Turbos, and a VW LT van (with a specific engine), and a 240mm clutch disk which fits your tranny.

    A complete 3B clutch has the required parts, but they were out of stock at GSF when i looked. Instead i baught a friction disk from a B6 S4 and a cover from a VW LT (which is identical to the S2 one, its the same Sachs part number). I got lucky with ebay and saved some money. If you can get a 3B clutch for a decent price then just buy that as its minimal hassle.

    If you cant get a 3B clutch or want to piece one together then you need a 240mm disk (they've been on ebay for months, mine was genuine audi and cost 50quid) and you want sachs 3082 919 001 cover plate (or equivalent from some other manufacturer), which appears to be used on the S2, said VW LT, and some 2.2 Turbo engines. One problem though is that looking on ebay, a lot of the 2.2 Turbo clutches appear to have 228mm clutch disks, so caution is needed there.
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    Will this do on flea bay ??

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    From the description its for a transverse TT so nope
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    [Sep 20, 2011]
    I've found a S2 organic clutch kit 240mm from techniclutch for about £180 so I just need to find a bloody flywheel now !!

    Here's the item number - 260459774739
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    i've heard mixed things about techniclutch.

    Perhaps do some of your own research before committing to that.
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    Stay away from Techniclutch!! You`ll regret it and have to change it again very shortly and if you try and get your money back they`ll tell you to do one! search for them on Google and you`ll see how many complaint threads there are!
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    Ive looked at them previously and seen good and bad mostly bad as your going to post a bad experience more than a good one and there eBay feedback is pretty reasonable.

    It's just theres not many S2 clutches on eBay also I don't have any thing to give the local factors or TPS as to get a price.
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    TPS wouldnt help you anyway as the genuine S2 3B clutch is obsolete. Hence me having to go to GSF to get an LUK item. Otherwise i`d get one cheaper on staff rates but no :(
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    1Bradderz, i did my conversion a couple of months ago. 1Z flywheel and a 1.9tdi 1z clutch and its holding up nicely to the punishment i dish out at up to 20psi :o.k:

    I also heard bad things about techniclutch. i was planning on doing the S2/S4 clutch (probably the RS4 V8 and the LT van pressure plate), but mine was dying and i didnt have the time to hunt down a cluch. but i can always go down that route later. just had a peek and there is 19 s2 clutch kits on ebay, but they need to be for the 3B engine as has been discussed before.
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    Yeh, most S2's use a dual mass unit and thus arent suitable.

    the 3B engine was only used for a year or so.
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    [Sep 24, 2011]
    Right looking for flywheel and the part number Jason.s gave me seems to be for a flywheel that has 8 bolt holes for bolting up to the crank this one 310241833018 then there is this 150637221623.
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    It should have 6 bolts. The second ebay number is correct, but thats stupid money, can nearly buy it new for that amount.
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    Definately 6 bolts for the part no i gave as i`ve just relooked it up on ETKA and says 6 crack bolts lol. 026105269L
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    Hmm just the one on eBay Germany is giving that part number for a 8 bolt crank I may have sourced 2 flywheels, one is an ECS the other is an audi 80. Im thinking of just going all out on a ttv one to take an s4 b5 clutch to many options lol.
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    Right been pricing the S2 clutch up and the cheapest I can get is an Luk kit for £240 Inc vat anyone know where to find one cheaper or recommend a differant brand ???
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    Just out of interest, what are the standard 1.8TQS clutches good for?
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    GSF were about 190 inc vat but ran out of stock. Dont know how quick it would be for them to get them back once ordered. When i was looking i actually rang Sachs and they said they didnt make the standard replacement anymore. Only the uprated version.
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    Ive found this on flea bay but it's a techniclutch special which I'm highly concerned about but all the suburu guys on the net give them good feedback its 50/50 really do I or don't I !!

    Item - 260459774739
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    I`d stay away to be honest. Anything thats got that much risk isnt worth doing especially the size of the job. Fair enough if it was a set of spart plugs or something but when theres that much work involved i`d personally give it a miss and get something you know 100% works and does the job.
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    I totally agree and I've read a story about a guy with a Nissan Skyline gtr buying flywheel and clutch from techniclutch and when he came to fit it it wouldn't fit his crank neither would the clutch bolt to his flywheel and he rang them and he basically said they said what do you want us to do about it !!!

    Just got a quote from gsf £194 Inc vat for an Luk kit.
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    Try all german for a price on that sachs cover plate and see if its going to work out cheaper to piece it together?
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    yeah a lot of the reviews i`ve seen mainly on Ford forums they`ve complained of failure after a stupidly short period ie still in bedding in period some of them and Tecniclutch has pretty much said just that^ and that they wouldnt get their money back and stuff. Apparently everyone on the other end of the phone is really rude and almost refuse to do anything about the fact their products are sh!t and fail under normal driving conditions let alone a bit of abuse.
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    Just got a flywheel £45 posted. A bit more than what I would of liked to pay but the guy was helpful enough so why not.

    Jason.s - what pressure plate bolts do I need part no' please.
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    Are these the correct part numbers for the clutch.

    Pressure plate - 035 141 118X
    Friction disc - 034 141 032M
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    Yeh, but afaik they're discontinued at Audi.

    The sachs number for the coverplate is listed above.

    Interestingly, the Sachs number cross references to two Audi numbers, the 035 number above from the S2, and a differnet number for the VW LT van. The Van number is 062141025BX and is still a live number. Bit pricey though, 160euros on my etka.
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    Yeh the ones ive listed are genuine that I can get that have been sat on a shelf somewhere and are brand new apparently went obsolete in June 08.
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    yeh, they'll do if you can get em for a decent price!
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    Be good if you can get those genuine Sachs ones. The S2 owners seem to prefer the Sachs clutches over the LUK. Big test for my set up this weekend running at Shakespear. See how well it stands up to some abuse!
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    Oh and clutch bolts you can use the standard ones. Dont need different ones. N01473911 0.52p inc vat each x6. Only flywheel bolts you need the shorter ones but then you dont even need those as Aragorn informed us before he used the normal ones fine.
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    nah i didnt use the normal flywheel bolts, they're way too long. I reused the ones that came with the flywheel!
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    Must have missread previous post :)
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    He's sent me the bolts aswel so will just give them all a blob of loctite.

    Going to get new pressure plate bolts as for when I get it machined, what would you guys recommend to be skimmed off the flywheel 0.5mm or less or does it depend on the condition ??
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    just the bare minimum to get it flat.

    Mind and tell the machine shop not to drill thru the starter ring gear when thye're making the new holes. I needed a washer under each clutch bolt as the depth of the new holes is slightly too shallow to take the full length of the stock bolts.
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    Ye I've read Jason.s write up not to go more than 10mm that will stick in my head till I tell them, a friend of mine works for an engineering company called metool so should be able to do it so I'll ask him may get it done cheap my other mate can only do stuff up to 150mm on the milling machine they have and he said they have pillar drills but there **** lol

    What length are the clutch bolts from the seat to the end of the thread as Jason doesn't mention any washers being used unless he forgot to mention it lol
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