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Floor mounted excelerator

Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by phantom, Apr 26, 2008.

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    As above i still can't get used to it , and get my foot comfy , ive noticed if i rest my heel on the floor i'm not pressing the pedal at the top?

    Ive also noticed that you need to press the pedal at the top to get max power/torque for the gear , so i end up revving it harder/longer!

    If i keep my whole foot on the pedal ( like a bumper car ) it's just not comfy round town braking/changing gear!

    I'm a size 9 shoe , so not small , i do wear casual shoes/pumps , i don't wear long winkel picker type shoes that i bet some of you wear!:slapped:

    Any tips or advice will be great if not i'm off to get a pair off "Yellow submarine shoes":)

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    Cuban Heels work for me, Or you could try platforms lol
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    Thats it tho , i wear FLAT shoes/pumps no heel what so ever!

    I'm being serious.....i'ts not a wind up!

    Any tips would be great thanks

    p
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    I usually rest my foot in the same spot - half way between the accelerator and brake. In fact, I have a dent in the carpet at the exact point - my last A3 had the same impression inthe same place.

    WhenI bought my first A3 in 2004 it took a bit of getting used to as my previous car had a regular accelerator pedal (top mounted).

    I have to go out in about half an hour to buy some replacement fuses for the ones I blew yesterday while fitting my TV tuner, so if I remember to I'll take a photo of my foot position.

    My feet are size 7, so if it works for me, i'm sure it'll work for you with your big size nines.
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    Ive tride getting closer, further back , higher the seat , steering wheel right up, pushed in a bit , and i still can't get 100% comfy and press the top of the throttle at the same time , without banging my knees on the wheel!

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    I have a similar (comfy) issue with the pedals but more from the clutch ... I can't find a comfy position - if I have the seat so the brake/acc pedals are far enough away then I can't fully engage the clutch, if I put the clutch at a point where I can just about (comfy) press it all the way in, the brake/acc pedals feel too close to me and my legs are too bent !

    Never had a car that takes so long to get a comfy seating position and still not managed to get it correct. it is not as tho I am an "odd" shape - just under 6 foot and medium build. (size 9 feet by the way ! )

    Hey ho ... I had cruise control fitted so on those longer drives I can move my right foot up against the wheel arch to try and gain some comfort back.

    Not sure if anyone else finds this ? or I am just a bit odd !
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    On motorways with the cruise on I usually put my left foot on the dead pedal and then fold my right leg towards the centre console to keep comfy (believe me, I'd cross them if I could!!).

    Then when I need to brake I just move the right leg back towards the brake pedal - or, as happenned once in an emergency, left foot brake until I managed to get the right leg free!
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    I don't think your odd at all....the 3 pedals are not the same level off the floor ( IIRC all 3 are different ) the throttles floor mounted so to me it would make perfect sense to mount the brake and clutch the same-ish level as the throttle for easy switching!:uhm:

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    the space for the legs is narrow.seats (i have s-line) are so uncomfortable.i cant also find a comfortable seating position.my right leg is always bent.my height is 1.85 meters(inch?) and my shoe size 47(sorry i dont know uk size)
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    throttle pedal is at a different height to brake pedal to make heel and toe'ing easier.
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    Maybe in theory , but as the OP to get max torque out of a gear you need to press it near the top of the pedal, so your toe would be on the brake , but your heel would be a fair bit down the pedal! IMHO

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    I'm not sure what is meant by 'to get max torque you need to press it at the top of the pedal'. You just need to press the pedal all the way down, it doesnt matter where on the pedal you press it.

    And with heel and toe'ing you do use the top of your foot on the brake (toe) and the heel on the accerator (heel) to blip it to rev match, you dont need to press it all the way down, just a very quick blip to bring the revs up a bit for the next gear down.
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    I do agree with the heel and toe ( never tride it in the S3 , i just double-de cluch and blip on the down shift )

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    Not noticed that the pedal are at a different level, it might explain why I once or twice when in traffic have clipped the brake pedal when pressing the acclerator !
    Cant seem to heel & toe or even left foot brake the S3 - its pedals are set wrong for in in my eyes - or my fat feet are too clumsy !

    Personally find it hardest to get a comfy seating position in relation to the steering wheel. End up with a seating position where my arms are slightly stretched to the steering wheel to allow enough space to brake and turn at the same time without my hands hitting my knee as I brake.

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    I'm glad it is not just me that is having these troubles .... ;-)

    When I first got the car, I was constantly catching the side of the brake pedal as I lifted off the acc pedal and moved my foot sideways to the brake - the brake is slightly set higher out and so it took a few weeks for my tiny brain to remember to lift my foot futher off the acc pedal and then sideways to the brake. All other cars they are at the same height so once off the acc you can simply side shift your foot to the brake - it made for an interesting moment when I first took the car out for a test drive and had to slightly emergency stop and my foot caught the side of the brake pedal ! hey ho !

    Where is that spanner and hammer - will sort it out .... ;-)

    As for heel and toe - mine is a 2.0 TDI so I don't even try to do such things as I just plod along in it.
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    Here's my foot locations while driving:

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    My heel never leaves the floor. It either rests on the right hand side of the brake pedal or the diagonally across the accelerator pedal.


    Here's the cruise control position I mentioned earlier:


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    I recorded the a video of the transition from pedal to pedal which I'm currently uploading to youtube - link to follow.
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    No wonder you have got a dent in your carpet, your foot just pivots on the spot, lol.

    Rich
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    you can see from MarcQuinlivan video the very lift from acc pedal to brake pedal has to be more to avoid clipping the side of the brake pedal. It is a shame the pedal design was not there to make the pedals level for fast pedal switching.

    I am guessing this is the same for all the A3 models ? S3 and "normal" ?
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    one reason the brake pedal is higher than the accelerator is because when heel and toeing, you press the brake down, it then becomes level with the acclerator, so you can blip it.

    If it started out at the same level as the accelerator it would be too low when you brake so you wouldnt be able to blip the accelerator.

    Its how it is for a reason, its not like audi made an error with it.
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    eh??

    the pedal should have adjustment - not checked on the A3 (as the pedal is just fine) but my old BM and the 911 both had/have a ball and screw afair adjuster
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    You rest your left foot on the clutch pedal? Isn't that unhealthy? Also, your braking seems strange to me and very uncomfortable for heel and toe as you would have to move your foot upwards should you decide to downshift mid-brake (if you use your heel to blip, which you probably do given how thin your shoes are. when i wear vans i usually find myself blipping with the right side of my shoe while the left side is depressing the brake).
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    I used to do this in my 205, it is easier but you have less control and opportunity to modulate should you need it
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    Nah, the photos and video were taken while stopped. Usually my left foot is on the dead pedal or flat on the floor when not using the clutch.

    Not sure I understand your point about downshifting mid-brake. A good driver only carries out one manouver at a time - i.e. brake to the speed you need to be at to negotiate the obstacle\junction, then change to the appropriate gear to continue your journey.
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    not so, sometimes you want to brake and keep the throttle open to help the car stay flat
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    Yeah, I was quoting the spiel from the Institute of Advanced Motorists. There will obviously be times when you need to do multiple things at the same time.
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    Eh? I don't understand this bit............
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    I hardly ever do that, but then again heel-toe was extremely fun on an engine as light as my ex-s2000. I wonder how the S3 will feel, especially with all the grunt low down in the revs. I always brake late and shift while braking. Having all that weight shift around by brake, release, clutch, shift, declutch, accelerate, seems like physical pain to me

    What i meant was that your foot is very low relative to the brake pedal (you are touching the brake with the upper part of your foot) and that seems like a difficult position to heel toe.
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    Just checked it and the poster joined a week ago. If you click on the link on the youtube page it brings you to a dodgy looking site.

    Not sure why someone would post a video of someone's feet (in scruffy shoes as L6ON pointed out!) in order to get you to visit their site - unless it is one of those foot fetish sites. I'm at work, so I didn't hang around long enough to discover all the ins and outs of the site - so to speak!
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    I've always found Audi's pedal arrangement strange, on my A4 and A3.
    The difference in height between the throttle and brake pedal is very marked, much more so that others cars I drive.
    So if you get yourself comfy for using the throttle, you have to bend your ankle uncomfortably to reach the brake, or move your whole leg.
    Get yourself comfy for the brake pedal, you have to over-extend your ankle to get full throttle.
    As a personal preference too, I don't like 'organ' style throttle pedals. (that's what they call ones that pivot on the floor).
    I don't like the **** that collects at the bottom of them and I don't like tha action.
    I much prefer throttle pedals that come down from the top, like the brake and clutch.
    Unfortunately, organ pedals seem to be de rigeur for the likes of Audi/BMW.
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    they are wrong - they are called floor hinged pedals
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    I believe the organ style as "they" call it is due to the "drive-by-wire" system. Apparently it is difficult to impliment the drive-by-wire on the top hinged pedals.

    Feel free to contradict that view.....
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    Although I know nothing about the pedals and why "they" choose to have them differently, it'd be no different setting up a drive-by-wire system with top hinged pedals.
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    :thumbsup:
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    I stand corrected! I heard that somewhere before and couldn't quite understand why it wouldn't be possible on top mounted ones. Clearly I was talking to a gobshite.
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    Your term wouldn't look very exciting in a brochure though, would it?
    Hence the fact it's widely called 'organ style'.

    An organ-type pedal attached to the floor by a pivot has been developed to increase the comfort of accelerator pedals. The trace of the new pedal is in the same phase as the motion of the sole of the human foot.
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    Ahh...Puma Kats. Simply brilliant shoes for driving in.
    I always have a well worn pair (like yours!) for trackdays and the like...nice choice!

    I find Audi pedals stightly odd too...not sure how...but I used to get a sore right ankle on a long run...perhaps the angle of the throttle pedal?

    It can't be a floor hinged pedal thing, as the 911 has it...and I'm fine in that...but I find the angle of the throttle pedal vs brake pedal is different in Audis too.
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