Well plan C went well - (not) - my rattly window appears to be a rarity. Guess that's good news 'cos on that basis it must be easily fixed. Except it's not and it hasn't. I've read a good many complaints on this site about the same problem - all those folk must be occupied elsewhere I guess. With regard to the DIS thread, I seem to be driving round in a 20+K mota,with a buzzing dash and a rattly window, that marks every time a bird craps on it...Oh and I've lost Kevin Rose's address (if anyone cares to supply...) - the quality of the DIS seems a minor issue.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bang.gif Oh yeah - thanks for Claybar MB - that's a plus!