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Facelift Clocks in Pre-Facelift

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  1. ScottD3
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    [Nov 27, 2013]
    Almost two years ago I started this thread http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a4-s4-forum-b5-chassis/134267-small-project.html but its full of my questions and some random ramblings by myself.
    So I thought its about time I cleaned it up and made an attempt to document it properly.


    The difference between PFL (Prefacelift) and FL (Facelift) clocks are not massive but its enough to want me to change.

    On the Face:
    FL clocks have a digital clock with date. PFL have a analogue clock.
    FL clocks have white dial numbers. PFL are all read.
    FL clocks are able to display which door, boot or bonnet is open. PFL can't.
    FL clocks will display satnav directions. PFL can't

    On the back. Mainly the plug:
    FL clocks use a blue, green and grey plug all with 32 pins. PFL clocks use a Red, green and blue plug.
    FL clocks have the option to use a radio controls clock. PFL clocks don't.

    Communication/function:
    FL clocks has can bus and uses it. PFL clocks don't.
    FL clocks lights will turn on when the lights are on. PFL clock lights are on all the time.
    FL clocks has a oil level warning. PFL clocks don't.

    I think that's the basic changed between the two.


    To fit FL clocks in your car you need several tools, some from off the top of my head are as follow:
    Torx screw driver to remove the clocks.
    VCDS and Vag tacho/commander type software or a friendly lock smith bloke who can program keys, match your miles and do a bit of coding later on.
    a selection of spanners, sockets and such to remove the sump.
    Soldering iron, wire strippers, cables and other such electrical wiring items.

    With tools together you need to get your parts.

    First you need your FL clocks.
    [​IMG]

    A sump that will fit your car with the oil level sensor hole.
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    A level sensor with plug
    [​IMG]

    Depending on how you want to wire your FL clocks in your car your got two options.
    You can either go and head and wire the new grey plug in and reroute all cables straight away or make an adaptor loom like I used.
    [​IMG]

    Personally I recommend going down the adaptor loom route. it will take a bit more time cause you got to make it but its great for testing and if needed you can unplug the new clocks and plug your original ones in with out the car being immobile plug you get a better understanding of the wiring changes that will be needed.
    This route is also a pain cause you got to get a set of PFL clocks and strip the plugs out.

    Like this:
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    What ever route you take you will need to match the wirings up from PFL cluster to FL cluster.
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    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc abstand-kap einzug-standard"]

    [TD="class: titel-kap"]Pin assignment at multi-pin connectors on instrument cluster - vehicles from model year 1998[/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"][/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, blue
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 -[/TD]
    Terminal 15
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 -[/TD]
    Turn signal (right-side)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 -[/TD]
    Speedometer output 1
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 -[/TD]
    Fuel gauge sender
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 -[/TD]
    Airbag
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 -[/TD]
    Terminal 31 (sensor earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 -[/TD]
    Coolant temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 -[/TD]
    Terminal 31 (load earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 -[/TD]
    Oil pressure switch
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 -[/TD]
    Engine speed signal
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 -[/TD]
    Terminal 61
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 -[/TD]
    Glow period warning lamp or CAT
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 -[/TD]
    Self-levelling suspension
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 -[/TD]
    Terminal 58d
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 -[/TD]
    Trailer turn signal / fault in engine electrical system
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 -[/TD]
    Main beams
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 -[/TD]
    Turn signal (left-side)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 -[/TD]
    ABS
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 -[/TD]
    Terminal 58s
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 -[/TD]
    Door contact, driver's side
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 -[/TD]
    Coolant level low
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 -[/TD]
    Terminal 30
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 -[/TD]
    Terminal 31 (load earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 -[/TD]
    K wire
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 -[/TD]
    Right parking light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 -[/TD]
    Left parking light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 -[/TD]
    Speedometer input
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 -[/TD]
    Brake fluid level/pressure
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 -[/TD]
    S contact
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 -[/TD]
    Belt buckle
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 -[/TD]
    ESP
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"][/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG][/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, green
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 -[/TD]
    Transponder 1
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 -[/TD]
    Immobilizer
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 -[/TD]
    W wire
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 -[/TD]
    Boot lid/tailgate (Lowline version only)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 -[/TD]
    Brake pads (Highline version only)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 -[/TD]
    Fuel tank warning output signal for engine control unit (only on 6-cylinder TDI and on export versions for USA)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 -[/TD]
    Standing time output
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 -[/TD]
    Air conditioner shut-off
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 -[/TD]
    Handbrake
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 -[/TD]
    Electronic throttle
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 -[/TD]
    Parking lights
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 -[/TD]
    Transponder 2
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 -[/TD]
    Oil temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 -[/TD]
    Terminal 58d (external dimmer potentiometer)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 -[/TD]
    Speedometer output 2
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"][/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG][/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 20-pin, red
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 -[/TD]
    Fuel consumption signal
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 -[/TD]
    Ambient temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 -[/TD]
    Selector lever position indicator
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 -[/TD]
    Washer fluid low
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 -[/TD]
    Hydraulic pressure
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 -[/TD]
    On-board computer reset
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 -[/TD]
    Clock signal for radio frequency display
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 -[/TD]
    Data signal for radio frequency display
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 -[/TD]
    On-board computer, left
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 -[/TD]
    Enable signal for radio frequency display
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 -[/TD]
    Tail lights / dipped beams (bulb monitor)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 -[/TD]
    Glow plug relay (on TDI engines the low-voltage monitor in the instrument cluster is disabled while the glow plugs are activated)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 -[/TD]
    On-board computer, right
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 -[/TD]
    Brake light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
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    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc abstand-kap einzug-standard"]

    [TD="class: titel-kap"]Pin assignment at multi-pin connectors on instrument cluster (2000my)[/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"][/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, blue
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 -[/TD]
    Terminal 15
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 -[/TD]
    Brake pad wear
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 -[/TD]
    Speedometer (output 1)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 -[/TD]
    Fuel gauge sender
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 -[/TD]
    Fuel tank warning OBD 2
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 -[/TD]
    Terminal 31 (sensor earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 -[/TD]
    Coolant temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 -[/TD]
    Terminal 31 (load earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 -[/TD]
    Oil pressure 2 (high)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 -[/TD]
    Engine speed signal
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 -[/TD]
    Air conditioner shut-off
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 -[/TD]
    Electronic throttle / glow period warning lamp
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 -[/TD]
    Self-levelling suspension
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 -[/TD]
    Terminal 58d
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 -[/TD]
    Turn signal (trailer)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 -[/TD]
    Main beams
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 -[/TD]
    Turn signal (left-side)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 -[/TD]
    Terminal 58s
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 -[/TD]
    Driver's door contact
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 -[/TD]
    Coolant level low
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 -[/TD]
    Terminal 30
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 -[/TD]
    Terminal 31 (load earth)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 -[/TD]
    Fuel consumption signal
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 -[/TD]
    Right parking light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 -[/TD]
    Left parking light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 -[/TD]
    Speedometer input
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 -[/TD]
    Brake
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 -[/TD]
    S contact
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 -[/TD]
    Speedometer (output 2)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 -[/TD]
    ESP/ASR (TCS)
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"][/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG][/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, green
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 -[/TD]
    Door contact (all doors)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 -[/TD]
    Transponder 1
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 -[/TD]
    W wire
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 -[/TD]
    Rear lid
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 -[/TD]
    Turn signal (right-side)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 -[/TD]
    Airbag
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 -[/TD]
    Standing time output
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 -[/TD]
    Terminal 61/charge warning
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 -[/TD]
    Parking brake / BRAKE
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 -[/TD]
    CHECK
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 -[/TD]
    Oil level / oil temperature
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 -[/TD]
    Transponder 2
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 -[/TD]
    CAN high speed, power train (+)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 -[/TD]
    CAN high speed, power train (–)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 -[/TD]
    CAN high speed, power train (screening)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 -[/TD]
    ABS
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 -[/TD]
    CAN low speed, convenience (+)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 -[/TD]
    CAN low speed, convenience (–)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 -[/TD]
    CAN low speed, convenience (screening)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 -[/TD]
    Bonnet
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 -[/TD]
    Belt buckle
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 -[/TD]
    K wire
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 -[/TD]
    Ambient temperature input
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 -[/TD]
    Selector lever display
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"][/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG][/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, grey
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 -[/TD]
    Menu switch (menu)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 -[/TD]
    Menu switch (out A)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 -[/TD]
    Menu switch (out B)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 -[/TD]
    Menu switch (enter)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]5 -[/TD]
    CAN high speed, display (+)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]6 -[/TD]
    CAN high speed, display (–)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]7 -[/TD]
    CAN high speed, display (screening)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]8 -[/TD]
    Passenger's door contact
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]9 -[/TD]
    Door contact, rear right
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]10 -[/TD]
    Door contact, rear left
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]11 -[/TD]
    Enable
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]12 -[/TD]
    Clock
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]13 -[/TD]
    Data
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]14 -[/TD]
    Brake light
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]15 -[/TD]
    Washer fluid level
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]16 -[/TD]
    Tail lights / dipped beams
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]17 -[/TD]
    On-board computer, left
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]18 -[/TD]
    On-board computer, right
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]19 -[/TD]
    On-board computer reset
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]20 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]21 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]22 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]23 -[/TD]
    Control group 1, Navigation system
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]24 -[/TD]
    Control group 2, Navigation system
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]25 -[/TD]
    Control group, Telematics
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]26 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]27 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]28 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]29 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]30 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]31 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]32 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-pfeil"][/TD]
    [TD="class: spalte-marg"][​IMG][/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="width: 1751"]

    [TD="class: spalte-text"][TABLE="class: cc einzug-standard abstand-standard absatz-hervor"]

    Multi-pin connector, 4-pin, black, for radio-controlled clock
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-standard erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]1 -[/TD]
    Radio-controlled clock signal (data)
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]2 -[/TD]
    Radio-controlled clock 5V
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]3 -[/TD]
    Not used
    [/TABLE]
    [TABLE="class: cc abstand-liste erlaeutrg-leg"]

    [TD="class: einzug-nummer"]4 -[/TD]
    Radio-controlled clock earth
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TABLE]
    #3
  5. ScottD3
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    [Nov 27, 2013]
    Once you've sat down and sort your loom out or made the adaptor you also need to the fit the sump with oil level sensor and route that back to where the clocks are.
    Its just 3 cables, power, earth and signal.

    With all that done, its time to sit down and do some programming to get your keys working and your rev counter.


    First off you need the SKC code for your new clocks. You can do this if you or a mate has VAG tacho or VAG commander.

    When you got the SKC you can follow these instructions.
    [h=2]Key Matching[/h]Prerequisites:

    • While adapting each key, make sure to place the other keys away from the ignition lock (reader coil). The passenger seat is an adequate place.
    • You must have all of the keys you intend to be able to use, including the valet key if you have one.
    • Battery voltage at least 12.5 V.

    [Select]
    [17 - Instruments]
    [Login - 11]

    • 4-digit PIN
      • Enter zero followed by the 4-digit PIN. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
      • [Do It!]

    [Adaptation - 10]
    Enter 21 in "Channel Number".
    [Read]
    The "Stored Value" is the number of keys currently matched.
    Enter a "new value" corresponding to the total number of keys to be matched, including any existing keys.
    Any old keys are automatically being cleared. All keys, including existing keys, must be matched at the same time.
    [Save]
    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

    • Repeat the following steps until all Keys have been matched:
      • Switch Ignition OFF and remove Key.
      • Insert the next Key and switch Ignition ON.
      • The Immobilizer Warning Light will light up for ~2 seconds, wait until it goes out, indicating that the key has been matched.
    Note: The above steps must be completed within 60 seconds after saving the Adaptation!

    That should get your key coded to your cluster and if everything else is plugged in and working, it should start and run the car but you will get errors about oil pressure cause your rev counter is not working.
    That's next.

    with VCDS out and still connected, go back to the clocks, go to adaptation, channel 60.
    Channel 60 should be Can-bus power train, I think this label depends on what version of VCDS you are using.
    Hopefully when the little help box pops up you should see something like this.

    [​IMG]

    My cluster was set to 01025 but by changing it to 0 it got the revs working.
    Hopefully this will be the same for everyone else.

    You will have some cables left over and the odd cable that has no where to go in the PFL loom and visa-versa.
    I've not noticed any thing not working due to these cable.

    The only cables that will have no where to go that you might want are the door, boot and bonnet signal cables.
    These are basic earth cables, you earth them and it thinks that door is open.
    I've not wired these up yet but I will be wiring them in to the pin switches to get them to work.

    You will have a disc cable left over, that one can just be earthed and ignored, unless you want to wire that up but I don't think its needed.

    I also think this is the same process for the A3 8Ls but hopefully I will find out next year and report back.

    That's pretty much it.
    I'm not sure what else is needed?
    #4
  6. Tom_B
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    [Nov 27, 2013]
    You are officially the world expert on this Scott.
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  7. ScottD3
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    [Nov 28, 2013]
    I would not go that far.
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  8. Broken Byzan
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    [Aug 19, 2014]
    Damn it, the forum upgrade has killed the listing
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  9. ScottD3
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    WOW that messed that right up.

    This any help?
    [​IMG]
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