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Does anyone understand the new VED tax bands?

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    So car tax is being changed again, with the intention of screwing anyone who doesn't drive a Toyota Pius:asskicking:

    Anyway, I'm trying to work out what the implications will be financially for me- I'm presuming this is of interest to all of us with our cars.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm

    The thing is, what does this mean for my car in particular?

    It's an 03 plate V6 3.0. I emit 272g/km of CO2, but because of the age of the car, I think I'm currently considered BandF because Band G wasn't introduced until recently. Am I going to get totally shafted by this because of emmissions , or does it not apply to cars registered before 2008? Does anyone know?
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    Not sure. The current highest band is only for cars registered after 23/3/06 so perhaps they'll do the same with the new bands. However if I'm being cynical I'd say they'll try to get as much out of you that they can.

    This Government site should be up to date but it hasn't been changed yet. I would keep an eye on this.
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    What amazes me is that HGV's weighing up to 25 tons (over 10 times the weight of your average car) still only pay £165 per year. Now if you believe that VED is related to the upkeep of our roads (as it was originally supposed to be) then how on earth can they justify HGV's paying less than the average car with 10-15 times the weight? I know it's spread over more wheels but even so, when one of them takes out 6 lanes on a motorway (which seems to be a daily occurrance) the cost is collosal.
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    Keep in mind feller :yes: 90% of the goods you purchase and use arrive by road transport.
    If trucks don't roll your life style stops. FACT:)

    At an average of 8mpg on a 44 tonner and 14-16 mpg on 17-26 tonners do you not think they pay enough tax on fuel.

    Road freindly air suspension now fitted across all 6 axles.

    These modern trucks are more advanced than your Audi

    80% of the UK's trucks comply with euro4 and euro5 emissions where as the older cars dont.

    You also forget to add that a lot of truck accidents are caused by knobhead car drivers who have no idea what its like to move and stop 44 tons.

    I also admit that a small % of truck drivers are knobheads as well when you see them tailgating

    So before you whinge have a rethink and maybe that will stop you from being crushed by a 44 tonner one day.

    RANT over :yes::yes::yes:
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    g u l p !
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    Small percentage? I do 30k miles a year and every day I see HGV's performing crazy dangerous manoevours on motorways. Also you seem to forget that over 50% of the trucks on the road are ancient so don't actually have any of the advanced features you mention. Way too many times I've been stuck in a jam (motorway closed, overturned lorry, what a surprise!), pulling up next to some enormous arctic and seen the frightening state of just his tyres let alone anything else. So they don't get any sympathy from me I'm afraid. Maybe if the duty was more expensive they'd be forced to use a more sensible method of transporting freight like the trains.
    I'm not too sure how having a rethink about HGV road tax is going to stop some hairy arsed truck driver, asleep at the wheel, ploughing through the central reservation and taking out my whole family, but I'll give it a go!
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    Moving back to the topic of the thread for a moment :)
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    30K = peanuts.
    Proffesional haulage company's lease trucks on 2-3 year basis and then the manufacturer ships them abroad to be replaced by new.
    Truck tyres can blow out just like your car could.
    Trains cannot get there passengers to destinations let alone freight.
    If HGV drivers work to the law they cannot fiddle their hours anymore and should not fall to sleep. They risk there licence and the operator risks his o licence.
    Unfortunately an out of control 44 tonner tends to do a tad more damage than a private car. or does it ????? A recent news headline told of a dork in a peugoet nearly wiping out a family in a passat.

    There are bad truck drivers but there are far more bad car drivers who cause alot of the truck problems.
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    But truck drivers are professional drivers, most car drivers do not drive for a living.
    As you so rightly point out 30k is peanuts in the world of commercial driving, so why would it be unfair for commercial vehicles to pay more road tax? Even if it was £500, as a per mile amount it wouldn't even be noticed.
    Truck tyres blow out far more often than car tyres because of the shoddy state of most of them and the expense to keep them road worthy but with far more serious consequences.
    The guy in the peugeot nearly wiping out his family? the clue is in the word "nearly".
    Whether they fiddle their hours or not does not prevent them from being extremely tired/bored at the wheel.
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    A small minority will not be classed as profesionals the vast majority will.

    It would be you and me who pays for an increase in truck road tax, the same as you and me pay for the trucks fuel tax.

    Truck maintenance is now a far tighter controlled area than car maintenance and they are strictly MOT tested every 12 months from new and inspected and serviced every 4 weeks in some cases.
    In the life of a truck tyre the blow out situ is no different to any other tyre.
    Only the steer tyres would cause a loss of control.

    The guy in the peugeot did wipe out 4/5 members of another family and killed himself and 2 others through stupid overtaking.

    The majority will never fall asleep they like there job and they know what damage they could do.
    I know teachers, lecturers and other professionals who drive trucks, i also know a few young ladies who drive as well.

    Just give them a little respect and the roads would be a little safer.
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    "It would be you and me who pays for an increase in truck road tax, the same as you and me pay for the trucks fuel tax."
    And pay for our own road tax even though we may only be on the road 1 hour a week. As I said a truck that does 50k miles per year a £500 increase would mean a rise of 1p per mile, I think they could handle it. A rise of £30 on a second car doing 3k miles per year = the same - it's only fair.
    Sorry I can only go by what I see everyday and I've seen the state of a lot of truck tyres and its diabolical and I just don't believe the maintenance argument.
    Hampshire police did an HGV stop & investigate project last year and 50% of the trucks stopped were not road worthy:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4372823.stm
    So much for the tightened MOT regulations.
    Shame the truck technology improvements don't extend to hands free kits as if I see another driver gabbing away on his mobile I swear I'll ram his truck and stuff it down his throat.
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    i can see both sides of the coin with this but its not exactly relevant to the thread about CAR TAX
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    Of course it's relevant. Car Tax has increased (which seems to surprise some people) but HGV tax is ridiculously low considering the increased damage they do to the roads and resultant carnage if or rather when they have a shunt. How is this not relevant?
    Or would you rather have a whole pile of threads from everyone saying "mines gone up £15"? Umm fascinating.
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    While were on the subject of going off on a different subject, why is it that some cars are being given £0 road tax when me on my motorbike which is quite capable of over 50mpg when riden conservatively and certainly dosent weigh enough to do any damage to the road still has to cough up the cash for road tax?? Unfortunately motorbike co2 emmisions are not regulated like a car so they cant start a complicated taxing system as per the cars, well give them enough time & im sure they will!!

    13 flipping different tax brackets for cars, was Ali D high on crack humping a blow up doll when he thought that one up??!!
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    Why they don't just add another 5p to fuel and scrap the whole ridiculous process I'll never know. No admin, no civil servants wasting police time trying to catch the tax evaders, no queing up at the post office etc etc. The saving on postage alone would about £20m.
    I guess that would be just too simple.
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    It's a shame that your not taking into account the,the many professional haulier's,out there.AndyMac you have absolutely no idea how mutch it cost's,to operate a truck,but you do have an awful lot to say about it.
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    Ill just await the spanking!

    Darling is a prize knob IMO. Bet they have some Blackadder style fun with him though!! Tea Darling? LOL
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    Hi all

    Just got my a4 3.0 sport cab a week ago and very happy with it. It was registered feb 03 and has done 44k so it's in Swifts Audi Specialists in Sheffield having a belt change. Before this I've had 5 Alfas in a row so am wise to getting the belts changed....

    As for car tax from what I gathered my car as registered before March 03 would escape the highest bracket and only pay £220 and not £415, but looking at the Parkers guide it seems that has been changed to March 2001, so from mid 09 i will be paying the £415!!!

    Should have bought an A2.. oh well.

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    how is the resultant damage a lorry does when it crashes or if indeed the lorries owners are paying enough or too little anything remotely to do with the title of the original thread

    IF ? you have a point to make may i suggest you start another thread but as others have allready pointed out i dont think you have the first clue what it actually costs to run a lorry
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    How many were foreign and how many were UK based.
    Oh yes the chuffin media forget to tell us that.

    Obviously you dont think trucks are neccessary on our roads but you are willing to buy and use the materials they carry.

    One of the biggest truck accidents on our roads is left hookers side swiping cars that sit in their blind spot in the middle lane.

    Anyway sorry everybody for helping to take this thread off track but i strongly think that trucks and truck drivers do a very good job in general.

    Back to the discussion of road tax and sorry again :blush:
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    They don't have to be foreign, as I'm sure you're aware a lot of UK drivers drive left hookers as they do so much work on the continent.
    Yes, please lets get back to the fascinating discussion of everyones road tax going up by £20.
    I can't be arsed to look at the table posted above so can someone tell me what I'll be paying on an 01 1.9TDi?
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    Getting back on topic again, the Parker's link now includes projections for the next 3 years. My 2003 registered v6, which was previously band F does indeed get re-classified as the new top band M, which means my car tax nearly doubles next year to the full £440, and increases again to £455 in 2010. That's daylight robbery.

    I'm seriously going to have to consider trading down to an oilburner now, that's just not sustainable in the long-term, and that's probably going to kill the residuals on my car too, especially if the £25/day C-charge for top tax band cars goes through.

    Thank you very much Alistair Robber Darling.
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    That's correct. You have to read the Budget Report very carefully and then you will see that the buggest increases in VED between 2008 and 2010 are for the sort of cars that families drive and NOT "gas guzzlers".

    For example, I have a B7 RS4 (326g/km) and my VED this year will be £400, next year £440 and the year after £455 - an increase of £55.

    BUT someone with a CO2 emission of 181-185g/km will pay £170 this year, £260 next year and £270 the year after - an increase of £100!

    AND someone with a CO2 emission of 201-225g/km will pay £210 this year, £300 next year and £310 the year after - an increase of £100!

    So "middle England" families are the big losers....
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    £2oo a year for a kitcar that does about 300miles tops a year, now thats sickening :(
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    Yeah my 2.5 TDi Q Sport Avant (why does Mr Darling hate estate cars by the way) - a right dirty diesel at 211 gm/Km...I will pay 6 months Road tax this month...and then 12 months in Sept thus getting my 1st 6 months for the old price in 2009....

    Still chokes me a LOT that I will now have to Pay £300 for my 12 months Road Tax in Sept 2009 .....

    I was going to get a 3.0 TDi for my next A4....now it looks like it will be a B7 2.0TDi S Line....wtf will it do to Trade in values I wonder....mind u I always sell privately...

    ...just will have to get a few cash in hand jobs done now to miss the VAT....to make up the £90 extra....and by the way Mr Darling I won't ever in my lifetime vote Labour again !
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