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Definitive Tyre Thread

Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by Sevv, Feb 19, 2013.

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Performance Tires

Poll closed Feb 19, 2014.
  1. Pirelli Pzero Nero

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  2. Michelin Super Sport

    5 vote(s)
    8.2%
  3. Michelin PS3

    20 vote(s)
    32.8%
  4. Michelin PS2

    5 vote(s)
    8.2%
  5. Conti Extreme Contact

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Conti Sport Contact 3

    7 vote(s)
    11.5%
  7. Conti Sport Contact 5

    4 vote(s)
    6.6%
  8. Eagle F1 Assymetric 2

    25 vote(s)
    41.0%
  9. Toyo Proxes R1R

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%
  10. Bridgestone S04

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    i thought we could start a thread, as i see so many people asking what tires to put on their cars ,hopefully that will help the majority of people

    more then happy for anyone to add more information , that would be great

    people having 17" wheel its recommended 225/45/R17/Y
    18" wheels at 225/40/R18/Y
    19" TBC

    Speed Ratings:
    Basically this states how fast the tire will go without popping of or the sort i usually go for 'Y' rating
    [TABLE="class: common-listing, width: 517"]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #D4D7D9"]Speed Rating[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #D4D7D9, align: right"]Mile/Hour[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #D4D7D9, align: right"]Kilometers/Hour[/TD]
    [TH="bgcolor: #D4D7D9"][/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #D4D7D9"]Speed Rating[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #D4D7D9, align: right"]Miles/Hour[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #D4D7D9, align: right"]Kilometers/Hour[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]N[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]87[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]140[/TD]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"][/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]U[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]124[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]200[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]P[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]93[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]150[/TD]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"][/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]H[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]130[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]210[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]Q[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]99[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]160[/TD]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"][/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]V[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]149[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]240[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]R[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]106[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]170[/TD]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"][/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]Z[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]150+[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]240+[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]S[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]112[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]180[/TD]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"][/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]W[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]168[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]270[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]T[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]118[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]190[/TD]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"][/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]Y[/TH]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]186[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: #E2EBF2, align: right"]300[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Load Rating: Basically how much a tire will hold per corner , usually you should take into account the weight of the car, the extra load on the tire going around a bend, and with the maximum amount of people in your car , if not im not mistaken you always want to have it holding 300 or may 400 kgs then the car

    Tyre Sidewall Explained


    [​IMG]You will find the size of a tyre on its sidewall. With a quick explanation as to what the different numbers mean, you will see that it is very quick and very easy to find out a tyre's size.

    Looking at the following image, you will see the mixture of letters and numbers: "205 55 R16 91 W"

    We have broken down each section in the following table, explaining what each number/letter means:



    [TABLE="class: common-listing, width: 517"]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #D4D7D9"]Sidewell Marking[/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #D4D7D9"]Explanation[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]205[/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]Width of the tyre in millimetres[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]55[/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]Height of the tyre sidewall as a percentage of the width. In this case 55% of 205mm. Also know as the aspect ratio.[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]R[/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]Radial Construction[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]16[/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]The diameter of the tyre's inner rim in inches[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]91[/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]Load Rating of the Tyre. In this case its 615kg[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]W[/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]Speed Rating. Indicates the maximum speed for the tyre when at full load. In this case 168 mph.[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]E4[/TH]
    [TH="bgcolor: #E2EBF2"]ECE type approval mark, which demonstrates the tyre has been tested as high quality by the European Regulatory Authorities. All Tyres sold by Blackcircles.com carry this mark.[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    this info was all taken from Tyres Online | Cheap Tyres | Winter Tyres & Car Servicing UK
     
    #1 Sevv, Feb 19, 2013
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  3. smurfworth

    smurfworth Well-Known Member
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    Michelin PS3 for me. 10/10
     
  4. The Governor

    The Governor Active Member

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    I think most people want to know the best value tyre, so the right balance of grip and longevity. Most people want to be changing at around 17k to 20k miles, rather than every 10k.

    It'd be ace to see something that gave an indication of wear versus grip...
     
  5. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    hey Governor ill try tomorow to add information concerning tread wear on each tire but from what i gather the PS3's and Eagle F1's last the most
     
  6. The Governor

    The Governor Active Member

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    Nice one, I'd imagine a table that had the following headings would do it:

    Tyre Brand
    Average Miles before Replacement
    Average cost
    Grip rating (1-5)

    Woudl be a good way for this community to input and would answer everyone's questions.
     
  7. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral
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    The Eagle F1 wear rate is much higher than the PS3.

    The longest lasting is the awful Bridgestone RE050.

    So far I've had both of those as well as PS2s and Toyo R1Rs which also last surprisingly well for a soft compound semi-trackday tyre.
     
  8. mjr901

    mjr901 Parts Manager - (Main Dealer)
    Gold Supporter Audi S3 Audi Main Dealer

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    I've had 4 sets of the Bridgestones, 1 set of the Michelin PS3's, 1 set of the Toyo T1R's and 1 set of the Conti 5's........ in about 4 years and all on 8P's! (170TDI + 2 x S3's)

    PS3/Conti 5 is the best. (Conti 5 has better rim protection and offers the same grip as the PS3)
     
  9. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    Fuel Consumption:

    Michelins PS3 = 4.59 liters per 100km

    Continentals 3/5 4.7 liters per 100km

    Bridgestone 4.8 liters per 100km.

    Mileage is the range depending on spirited driving or average driving or city/ highway driving

    Conti Extreme Contact between 20 / 25,000 miles [road noise problem]

    Conti Sport Contact 3 up to 30,000miles

    Conti Sport Contact 5 12-18, Miles

    P-Zero Nero 20-28,000 miles [road noise problem]

    Michelin PS2 20-30,000 miles

    Michelin PS3 25-33,000 miles

    Michelin Super Sport 30- 35,000 miles [comes with warranty stating it will last up to if not exceeding 30,000miles [Michelin website]]

    Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 20-22,000 miles

    Toyo Proxes R1R 15-20,000 miles

    Bridgestone S04 15-20,000 miles

    took me forever to find the information and give is as accurately as possible , as usual any addition are welcome, thank for the correction Alex
     
  10. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    for some reason it wouldnt allow me to add it onto the first post i put in the thread :s :( any moderators can help pretty please
     
  11. The Governor

    The Governor Active Member

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    Nice one Sevv - I think a good way to collate the info would be using Excel, that could calculate the averages etc, I wonder if we can link an Excel file to a post..?

    Obvisouly there will be variations for driving style across all brands, but I'd expect the averaging to flatten that out a bit, assuming we had enough takers.

    I can't really comment yet as I'm still on my first set of Bridgsones at 15k!

    I'm happy to collate the info into Excel if that helps :)
     
  12. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    yeah sure i wouldnt mind at all , anyone and everyone is free to contribute it would just make the thread stronger and more informative
     
  13. nluk100

    nluk100 Active Member

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    I didn't think you could get the Mich super sport in the correct size for the S3?
     
  14. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    you can - Michelin Pilot Super Sport
     
  15. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    bump... im sure more people can vote then 37 :)
     
  16. radhaz

    radhaz New Member

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    I went with
    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]225/40ZR-18 Continental ExtremeContact DW XL
    and a set of these wheels:
    18x8 Borbet LV5 Anthracite
    Love the look, and the ride is very good. I had what I thought was a bad left rear wheel bearing, but new tires sorted it.

    Oops, you are asking after performance tires. If I could delete the post, I would.
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
  17. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    its all good mate, u did answer it partly :p
     
  18. SteveBAM

    SteveBAM Black '03 S3

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    don’t know if I should be posting this here but my S3 needs a new set o tyres. I have come down to these 3 : Continental Sport Contact5, Dunlop sport maxx RT and Toyo R1R’s. Now the last one is more of a performance tyre than the first 2 and have read a lot of good reviews about it. I was going to go for the Dunlops till I saw the toyos today at a tyre store and liked them. But I'm confused as to which one I should choose. My car is not a daily driver and ill probably do 50-80klm per week. The climate here in Greece is warm and dry for at least 7-8 months of the year and I do like to punish my little S3 around the twisty’s. My only concern is tyre wear with the toyos and road noise.
    Any help would be appreciated.
    Thanks :beerchug:
     
  19. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    the toyo's would be a nice choice 'IF' its not a daily try Michelin Super Sports they have a 30K miles guarantee straight from them...

    and you have dry and warm whether so either would be a good choice but the R1R's are 10-15k miles less (milage wise) but if you do 2-3000 miles a yr then i wouldnt worry about it too much as your set would last you a few years
     
  20. chinnyhill10

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    2 months of enforced Nexen N8000's on the front of my car now and they aren't as disastrous as I thought they might be. Had a ruptured tyre over Christmas on the front and was 200 miles from home so it was the Nexens or nothing (was during Xmas break, late in the day and all the garage had).

    No they aren't as grippy as the 2 Dunlops that came off the front. Very slightly nosier and handling isn't quite as precise but it's all quite marginal. Online figures suggest their biggest shortfall is in fact fuel economy.

    Lets be clear, no way would I choose them as my first choice, but on the other hand they aren't so bad as I am ripping them off straight away. If you are stuck like I was, my advice is don't let the Korean name scare you off. The price for what you get seems quite good.

    If you wanted a cheap but half decent set of tyres for a few months before selling your motor, I'd suggest the Nexens are ideal.

    However with only 2 months driving as yet have no idea about wear rate!
     
  21. miw615

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    Is there a web site that shows details of tyre = roadnoise?
     
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    Really like my new Bridgestone S001's. Cured the vague rear end feeling I was getting from my PS3's.
     
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    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    hmm i just hate bridgestone got no trust watsoever in them allot off understeer im getting breaking traction on first gear 2.5K RPM launches which is nothing , i would stick personally to PS3 or SuperSports
     
  26. jimojameso

    jimojameso Active Member
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    Great thread, can one of the admin's sticky it?

    I run PS3's all round and am really impressed with grip and noise. Will keep you all updated on longetivity. :)
     
  27. Lordloverocket

    Lordloverocket S3 Newbie

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    Yokohama AD08's ;)
     
  28. Sevv

    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    Pirelli's Bridgestone and Toyo's have hard sidewalls as compared to the michellins, goodyears and defo the conti (fast road driving/track use)

    any of the admins can possibly stick this to the stickies please ?
     
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    Sevv Pushing the limits..

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    I have 235s on mine :/.

    I have always liked Vredsteins, for a mix of grip and value.
     

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