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Counterfeit R134a Refrigerant - A Warning

Discussion in 'General Automotive Chat' started by TYphoon GB, Apr 4, 2012.

  1. TYphoon GB
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    This stuff is used in your air conditioning (certainly up to 2011) as well as a whole load of other refrigeration and air conditioning.
    It seems our enterprising mates in southern China have started to make fake gas mixing R134a with methyl chloride and a load of other s**t.

    There have been a few incidents with vehicles and a Greek bus but the majority are within the container industry reporting 4 dead. This stuff has been found in the Far East, Africa, Spain and the USA but reports suggest all markets are at risk. It is mainly in the disposable cylinders favoured by small garages and home repairers and sold through the internet or 'off the back of a lorry'.

    Like fake Vodka and Wine the fake cylinders curently have spelling errors and dodgy lables but these SoB's will learn quick.

    The fake gas will eat anything aluminium (the evaporator under your dash for example) it will then burst and fill the vehicle with a toxic mix that includes things like phosgene, hydrofluoric etc. It also has a habit of burning on contact with the air so that small leak will go 'nuclear' pretty quickly.

    Everyone is trying to save money and these criminals are relying on internet purchases and back street sales. The only protection is to purchase direct from an authorised distributor or use workshops that do that.

    A few links...

    http://www2.dupont.com/Refrigerants/en_ ... 20125.html

    http://www.containerownersassociation.o ... erants.pdf

    http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=8413677

    Counterfeit R22 and R134a refrigerant puts engineers at risk says DuPont

    http://english.vietnamnet.vn/en/busines ... osion.html

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/art ... 249749.php

    http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/1 ... z1qsfw9f5D

    You been warned
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  2. ScottD3
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    ScottD3 I want your faulty electronics

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    Thanks for this.
    I've just had my AC drained ready for the matrix strip.
    I'm off to the same place next week to get it filled up.
    I'll let him know.
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    There's clearly no end to what can be counterfeited!
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    willowsdad Sideways

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    Apparently there used to be a problem with dodgy used car dealers filling the a/c with butane. Excellent refrigerant, but not very safe! Best way to get your aircon done is to get it plugged into a machine at the garage anyway. If you need to top up then you've more than likely got a leak and you're just wasting your money. Last I heard they were trying to ban little top up cylinders anyway.
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    They banned 'topping up' in Europe and the import of one shot disposables.
    Only problem is they didn't ban sales of disposable cylinders so if illegally imported.................
    Such is the **** laws the EU pass :-(
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    I've seen top up disposable tins in halfords only last week. Sure its banned?
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