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Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by jesters3, Jun 30, 2010.

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    [Jun 30, 2010]
    Morning the old girl conked out on me this morning (second time this week).

    Pulling up to a junction, slow down, depress clutch, car dies, car turns but won't start, try it a few times still no joy, leave it a min (while the people behind me overtake and look at me in the angry 'what the f**K are you doing sitting there' look) and then try again and she fires up like nothing has happened.

    Anyway have scanned it on VagCom and get the following:

    Address 01: Engine
    Controller: 8N0 906 018 BH
    Component: 1.8L R4/5VT 0001
    Coding: 10710
    Shop #: WSC 13365
    WAUCHEERSFINESSE
    1 Fault Found:
    16395 - Bank 1: Camshaft A (Intake): Retard Setpoint not Reached (Over-Advanced)
    P0011 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
    Readiness: 0000 0000

    Digging around Ross tech I get the explanation:

    16395/P0011/000017 - Bank 1: Camshaft A (Intake): Retard Setpoint not Reached (Over-Advanced)

    Possible Symptoms


    • Power Loss
    Possible Causes


    • Camshaft Adjustment Valve 1 (N205) faulty
    • Fuel Pump Relay (J17) faulty
    Possible Solutions


    • Check Camshaft Adjustment Valve 1 (N205)
    • Check Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
    Question I have is where is the Fuel Pump relay located? Recently had the Fuel pump replaced - would the relay been replaced at the same time.

    Also does anyone know how easy it is to change the N205 valve? - I have had a look around and searched but can find very little on the valve?

    I have looked at various posts and some people have an issue with the Engine Speed Sensor - though no specific error code has come up relating to this shallI change it anyway - or not bother?

    Or shall I book here into the garage and get her looked at.
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    As you've recently had you fuel pump replaced I'd start with the relay but I'm unsure as to where it is. I'd also be a little worried about any Cam related error but that error may have just been thrown up due to the fuel pump relay stopping fuel getting to the engine and the power being cut.
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    [Jun 30, 2010]
    :eek: hope this is sorted, jester the S3 god is can't be befuddled !! You should edit out your VIN from your post
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    Cheers Finesse.

    Thanks Westle will order the relay from Murrays in a min and look to get that sorted.

    I believe the relay's are located under the driver console - however I can't see how to get to it - anyone have aguide for removing this to gain access?
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    [Jun 30, 2010]
    Hi i had an EML come up on my car a few weeks back got it scanned it was, Bank 1: Camshaft A (Intake): Retard Setpoint not Reached but said retarded,

    I had a Audi specialist come to have a look at my car, they said it was my Camshaft Adjuster at fault, I had no syptoms, no cutting out, just had a slight rattle on start up, for a a second, then it went. the noise was not loud or anything, but i hear that is normal on these, but since having it done the noise has gone though,

    He said when they fail completely you will know due to it being very noisy, as the chain will be slack.
    So yours maybe fuel relay connected as you had the pump changed recently,

    But just for reference the Cam shaft adjuster is expensive over 300 just for the part, plus alot of labour, Dont i know :crying:lol
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    Cheers S3-Oski, god I hope it's not the Camshaft Adjuster!

    On a side for anyone else who needs to gain access to the Relay Panel go to this page to download the guides for the interior and electrical. The interior shows how to remove the drivers underside storage compartment to gain access and the electrical shows how to undo the relay panel to gain access.

    The Fuel Pump Relay is Part Number 191906383C relay number 167 (for a Audi S3 2002 BAM engine). FYI i got mine from Murrarys for £12.67 inc VAT delivered. However on doing a quick check around you can get it cheaper i.e justkampers.co.uk do it for £9.00 inc VAT delivered

    Going to do the change and then clear the codes and pray it doesn't happen again - I'll update the thread so that other people who get this know what to do.
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    Did the change last night and cleared the codes - so far nothing do fingers crossed!

    On a side, for those taking off the drivers underside storage it is very straight forward (just follow the guide in the manuals) to do. Once you have undone the screws you will have to pull it off as there are two plastic clips that hold it up either side of the steering wheel.

    The only trouble I had was putting it back on! You will see two WHITE holders which you need to slide the comparment back on to once they are on you then push up and align everything back up, before you screw it back up make sure the two plastic clips (either side of the steering wheel) are fixed in; then screw it back up - otherwise you have a bit of trim flapping off!

    Oh and make sure you have pulled through the electrics for the lights other wise you have to get a pair of long nosed pliers in to fish it out!
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    [Jul 2, 2010]
    good work!

    S3 and it's many tantrums
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    Sounds like the crankshaft sensor could be playing up, but it's not showing on Vag-COM so I'd seek proper assistance.
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    [Jul 9, 2010]
    Dang, did it again this morning! Haven't scanned it with VAGCOM yet but will do later.

    Golf - the crankshaft sensor is this the same as the Engine Speed Sensor?
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    Well last night I had a something happen on the way home and the EPC light came on near home with the car going into limp mode. Got home and scanned it with the new following codes as well as the old one:

    Address 01: Engine
    Controller: 8N0 906 018 BH
    Component: 1.8L R4/5VT 0001
    Coding: 10710
    Shop #: WSC 13365
    WAUZZZUPPPPP
    3 Faults Found:
    16395 - Bank 1: Camshaft A (Intake): Retard Setpoint not Reached (Over-Advanced)
    P0011 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
    16705 - Engine Speed Sensor (G28): Implausible Signal
    P0321 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
    16706 - Engine Speed Sensor (G28): No Signal
    P0322 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
    Readiness: 0000 0000

    Well digging around on ross wiki pulls up the Engine Speed Sensor could well be faulty it also mentions - The Engine Speed Sensor (G28) is also used as a reference sensor for the crankshaft position - this relates to what Golf has said - nice work Golf.

    So will be ordering one today: for those interested you can get it from EuroCarParts or All Parts for @£45.00

    More info see linky
    Basic Guide to fitting see linky
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    Well the saga continues, picked up the part yesterday and went about to fit it (found another useful guide). Jesus what a palava!!!!!

    Jacking up fine, undershield off fine, found the sensor fine. Spent 1 hour trying to get the bolt above it out!! Then spent 30 mins trying to get the sensor out but no joy!

    The main problem was that you could not get enough of a hand near it to make a difference as the oil filter is in the way. So I decided to take the oil filter off meaning thatI had to drain the oil - could I get the sump plug off - could I ****! It was welded on! The last place it got service must have tightened it up with a frigging lot of torque.:mad:

    The long and short is that after nearly 2 hours I got the bolt out.:applaus:

    So I have to take it somewhere to get the plug off to drain the oil to remove the filter to gain access to the sensor.:sob:

    Anyone looking to do this in the future, I advise you do the above drain the oil and remove the filter this will make life a heck of a lot easier for you.

    On a side I had a look at my transmission and it is drenched in oil, fcuking great..............
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    Unlucky mate, sounds like a right bundle of laughs. Sometimes I think its much less hassle to just pay a specialist to go through all the grief instead of you.
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    Sorry for the late input here mate, but was away on holiday when this post came round.

    The G28 Engine Speed Sensor went dicky on my A3 and gave me exactly those symptoms. Random cutting out for no reason was the issue as well.

    If you look at your fault codes, they suggest this anyway, as it first say implausible signal, followed by no signal. At that point the engine will die.

    It's unusual for it to regenerate itself though, and then work again for a while!

    Hope now you've changed it it's OK. Fingers crossed.
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    Yeah I know - but you read the guides think hey that looks a pile of piss I can easily do that.......

    Luckily I just spoke my specialist and he says that you can just undo the oil filter to gain access, you will loose a little bit of oil but no need to drain it all out. Thank God. Will be doing it again tonight and on that basis should be all done in 30 mins!!!

    Well heres hoping.
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    Thanks that fils me with confidence.:scared2:
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    Only one way to find out mate! :thumbsup:
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    Sounds like my diagnosis was correct [​IMG]
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    I fcuking hope so.......!
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    Well changed it last night. Even with the Oil Filter off it was still pretty tough. Trying to prise the sensor out took an age and a lot of cursing and WD40 but came out in the end with some mole grips on it. Well I have cleared the codes now so fingers crossed.
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    Good luck dude - hope it's all OK.
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