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Car Buyers beware-flaw in HPI mileage checks

Discussion in 'General Automotive Chat' started by oat, May 20, 2009.

  1. oat
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    [May 20, 2009]
    Yesterday I returned home from doing a deal on an S3 at an Audi main dealer. Did a quick MOT check using VOSA and it transpires the previous owner has done a Marty McFly and gone back in time with my S3.
    I would have thought an HPI check would have picked this up but it did not.

    Dealer refunded my deposit and is as shocked/gutted as I am, although they are in utter shock this hasn't been unearthed during their HPI check
    This got me thinking and after a lot of research I've discovered ANY HPI mileage checks are NOT linked to the VOSA MOT database!!:keule: Talk about a major flaw in the system!! I still can't believe this hasn't been unearthed by anyone before!!

    Be careful out there guys when buying, make sure you do a VOSA MOT check for the mileage as well as full HPI for any outstanding finance/insurance write off etc.


    http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/internet/jsp/ECSID-Internet-Status-Request.jsp
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    glad you got your money back mate, don't think it was ever in doubt, Audi would be as pissed off as you were I'd imagine...it pays to do your own homework now a days...
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    Yea lol, O well at least it was that simple and they wasnt pushing you to buy it still.
    Good luck on the hunt still!
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    [May 20, 2009]
    glad you sorted it and got your money back.didnt think you would have much of a problem to be honest

    my friend is looking at a S3 today,showing around 50k told him to do a vosa check as well as a HPI check.better to be safe than sorry

    how much is a vosa check by the way?
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    [May 20, 2009]
    It's Free!:busted_cop:
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    [May 20, 2009]
    have you got a number or web link?
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    [May 20, 2009]
    Google VOSA MOT CHECK - I have a bad feeling I might end up ruining a few peoples days as clocking is more rife than you would imagine...:angrymod:
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    [May 20, 2009]
    right handy that.cheers
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    [May 20, 2009]
    Guys how would you check a car that you have just seen on sale, because on the vosa site it asks for the regestration and MOT test number from VT20 MOT Test Certificate or VT30 Refusal of an MOT Test Certificate (failure notice) or Document Reference Number from the V5C Registration Certificate issued by the DVLA??

    Im just asking because my mums seen a audi a3 8p 2.0 tdi going pretty good price, done a hpi but after eading this thread yesterday its got me thinking as the car shows 36,000 on the clock which for a 2004 is pretty low.
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    [May 20, 2009]
    There is also the assumption that an MOT tester didnt mark down the wrong mileage by accident :no:
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    [May 20, 2009]
    Thats so bleeding cool, Saved, didn't know this existed
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    [May 20, 2009]
    call the seller and ask for the imfo you require.if they have anything to hide they will refuse
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    [May 20, 2009]
    CHEERS, very good point. will do.
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    [May 20, 2009]
    Just checked mine, all ok thankfully. However I checked my 1998 Pug 106 on the database and it shows the first MOT being done in Jan 2006! Im hoping this database has only been around for a few years and thats the reason why. However I did buy the car last year with rediculously low mileage (46k for a 10 year old car) so im starting to worry a little!
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    It does state on the site that records only go back to the start of the computerised MOT's i have a couple of the old style MOT certificates in my history folder that didn't show up on the VOSA site..... i think it goes back to around 2005/2006 something like that
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    Thats put my mind at ease then!
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    [May 20, 2009]
    That's a really useful website to know. I sometimes use the DVLA's tax disc check, because it's a simple way of tying up a registration with a particular car:

    http://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/

    Also look at the online insurance database - this tells you if a car is insured or not (not sure if it's useful when buying a car, but it would tell you if it was still being used on the public roads):

    http://www.askmid.com/ownvehicle/
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    [May 21, 2009]
    just checked mine and daughters a ok cheers:o.k:
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    It looks like buying a car has just got even harder, even though they pass all conventional checks. We have to be on the look out for scams involving the lost of thousands of DVLA log books:

    Theft of DVLA log books fuels cars scam
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8487381.stm

    Car cloning isn't new but this is just one of the type of scams we need to look out for.
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    [Apr 29, 2010]
    Yes this is true, it is massively flawed. Mileage correction is rife as its ever been, just google it and thiers loads of companies that come up. The goverment need to do something about it as if you are buying second hand cars its really hard to tell. Whn buying, check th wear on the leather (my field), bolsters cloth or leather. The bottom of the steering wheel is a good one, pedals etc. I known people who have bought cars from the auction and the mileage is way off.
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    [May 11, 2010]
    I did a free VOSA check when i bought my A3 as well as the HPI, everything tied up as it should do.

    There is nothing to stop anyone from clocking the car back just before MOT time, this would not show up on a VOSA check or on the HPI because the mileage has been altered before the MOT and not after, the new mileage would be recorded at VOSA not the old mileage.

    Oh and before someone says you will balls your service history up, wrong.. You can get a new service book very easily, order a dealer stamp off ebay and off you go.

    Clocking is rife you are right.

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    [Sep 9, 2010]
    HPI doesn't check mileage.... doesn't even say it will! It only checks to see whether there has been an insurance write off (not claim) on the car, plate change details, stolen, import status and whether there's any finance. Most dealers will use the VMC or similar, who check back through mot mileages, though that relies on the tester inputting the right data!

    checking service history and mot's is the only way unfortunately.....
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    Will be using this from now on thanks!
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