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    anyone had the minor inconveinience of no.2 conrod letting go?

    as you might or might not know i work in a vag specialist in sheffield.

    had a 57 plate a3 come in at the beginning of the week... hole in the side of the block from no.2 conrod letting go....
    i removed the engine/box on wednesday ready for the new lump on monday.

    then today we had an 08 plate golf recovered to us. same engine code. exactly the same, no.2 conrod thru the block behind the aircon pump.

    wtf is going on???

    both less than 60k on them. beware.
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    have vag just lost all credibility now? oil pumps/balance shafts, inlet flaps, injectors, chocolate cams, abs units (early mk5 golfs and tourans).

    now these 1.9 tdi bxe engines?
    bkc lumps are the sister engines arnt they?
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    I think if you check both mercedes & bmw you will find a lot of issues too. Its the problem with pushing technology v's cost cutting :-( imho diesels seem to be more delicate nowadays.

    I'm still waiting for audi to design a door that doesn't rub the paint off causing the door to rust :p
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    [Jan 29, 2012]
    VW Touran Engine Blown Up - MoneySavingExpert.com Forums

    so conrods having weakness from the factory?
    is this true that vag know about a flaw in these conrods on certain batch of these engines?

    ive stripped one of these engines now and it looks like the conrod has let go of the gudgion pin to me.
    there is no signs of the conrod seizing on to either the crank of the gudgion pin.
    its a rod failure.... on a standard 105bhp engine.
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    It doesnt sound good. I hope there are no such issues with my AXW petrol engine!
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    hi just joined, got a 2008 passat estate with a bxe engine, conrod no 4 just put a leg out of bed, 78000 miles, full vag sh. fully standard, misses car so doesn't get trashed. its just out of warranty which is typical, does anyone know if vw will repair out of good will seeing they know it a manufacture fault as car is out of warranty?

    cheers tavy
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    [Feb 14, 2012]
    well the 08 plate golf. ive fitted a recon engine in it last week. @1300 for the engine. seems fine.
    the 57 plate a3 is still at work, were getting a s/h engine with 45k on it for just over a grand. should be getting delivered this week.

    tavy, with full vagsh..... id get moaning at them!!! these are conrods not made properly.
    the conrods on both the engines if had in bits. the little end the gudion pin goes thru has opened up!
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    Unacceptable really given the testing they're supposed to do on bench tests at factory, but then that's not real world.

    A 105bhp engine giving way at 60k, you'd want to bury it in the dealer forecourt window from where you bought it. Bloody cost accountants and value engineering are a cancer in the automotive industry.
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    despite being a premium brand the current range is definitely the result of cost cutting.
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    took some pics of the offending engine.
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    ive seen rod failures before but these have been siezed bigends. over bent ones from water ingress.
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    Hi,

    just had the same defect occur (conrod launched through side of engine) on a 1.9 TDI A3, with 70k on the clock. 57 plate car too.

    Plenty of longlife oil in the engine, cruising at 70 MPH in 5th gear - crunch!

    Have Audi commented on these failures? Where's the best place to have a replacement engine fitted? (in the North West)

    Trying to find out if the engine is a BKC variant tomorrow...

    UKW
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    [Apr 17, 2012]
    ...and here is a picture of the inwards that emerged from the poorly 57 BXE (1.9 TDI) A3 engine:

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    Do you think that the failure mode is the same?

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    [Jun 3, 2012]
    you wouldnt believe it, but ive changed another bxe engine on an 07 plate golf5 on friday and finished off today. exactly the same conrod failure. 114k this time.

    fitted a second hand engine with 52k on it. spent 8 hours on it in total.

    the failure looks slightly different as its no.3 conrod its let go round the journal and the conrod looks twisted and wedged....... i can get pics if anyones interested, before it gets returned for surcharge?
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    Hi Murran I have just had exactly the same problem with my 08 plate mk5 golf estate now got a hole the size of my fist coming from number two conrod nice.....car was mint before this no issues what so ever is there a diffrenent engine that is any better I can get fitted or can you take on the job?
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    ive sent you a pm tisher.
    i wouldnt want to take it on on my drive if thats what you mean lol.

    i really do think there is a defect on these conrods in the bxe engines.

    as i said in my pm to you, if you have full vw history or can provide evidence of quality vw spec oil/filter changes. get it to vw and dont budge till youve got a 100% parts and 50% labour contributions.
    get them to fit a new clutch/flywheel while its in bits and tell them you'll pay these extra parts.
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    [Nov 21, 2012]
    In May I bought a 57plate 104 golf tdi. 114,000 with full VAG service history bought it right because of mileage but having been in trade for 25years fell back on my faith in the brand and its good service history. Sunday M5 motorway doing 75 downhill near Bristol bang. Pulled over in a puddle of oil. Recovered back to Exeter and on investigation conrod from No4 punched through the block and oil filter housing.
    An ex VW tech now at Honda very carefully took it apart and layed all the bits out. No sign of wear on any parts. Conrod snapped together with the piston base and pin together with hundreds on bits of metal sat in the sump.

    Contacted VW with the view of just letting them know. They dismissed any claim saying I did bad taking it to Honda firstly. Second it's a reasonable age and mileage so totally fit for purpose. Giving me the impression they thought they knew how I might approach it. So a 5 year old VW costing lots of money new and serviced as per pro their schedule is deamed reasonable to quit in this catastrophic manner at 120,000.

    An Audi A3 engine of the same type and code BXE are now in it with 54,000 miles with FSH. Lets see how long it lasts.

    I have to say I am gutted. Working on cars all my life in a main dealer environment I'm not particularly excited by cars but my VW T5 and my half dead golf are really my pride and joy. This all comes from how practical they are to work on and little design features I appriciate. The guy from VW didn't acknowledge any faults on this engine and said the World Wide Web is the World Wide Web and they sell millions of cars and this must be a one or two off when I told him I'd seen other cases of this. There is one thing worse than my £2000 bill and that's the pack of lies I've been told!!
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    [Nov 22, 2012]
    I dont recall anything like this happening on the early 1.9PD 130, 115, 150 engines, they were bomb proof so it seems cost cutting in rod manufacture on just the newish 105 versions.

    Time to unleash Ann Robinson!
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    VW advised me also they have a way of tracking all parts from their vehicles at the point of manufacture and I assume this is how they issue recalls on specific vehicles as they also advised they have in the past. I'm wondering if its worth collating VIN numbers of problem vehicles and presenting it to them. If there is a common weakness then it could be identified. From my own experience and I'm sure that of others there is the danger of the drivers reaction to the failure besides the financial loss. The more I've thought about the potential consequences of what could have happened to me on the motor way put the same problem in the lap of a new driver and it could have been terrible. Not wanting to sound like a drama queen though!
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    [Dec 3, 2012]
    If anyone else has a conrod problem with a BXE engine,please, please, please can they report and complain to the following: VOSA, SEAT/VW/Skoda/AUDI as appropriate andthen also contact Watchdog. VOSA took mycomplaint seriously, but unfortunately there have been no other reports to themof such a failure and my prints out from websites such as this are “unsolicited”and therefore they are unable to take them into consideration. Thank you.
    This is my story:
    I am the owner of a SEATToledo and on 1[SUP]st[/SUP] July, it broke down whilst driving on my localbypass. The AA recovery service diagnosed a conrod through the engine block andtowed it to a local AA approved service repair centre.
    Whilst talking to familyand colleagues (mainly Engineers) about this unfortunate incident, they havebeen very shocked and surprised that a car which is only 4 years old shouldhave such a problem. I am upset that this has happened being as I bought thecar last year for nearly £7K, thinking that I was buying a quality car that Iwould be able to use for my commute to work. The car has FSH up to the purchasedate and has since been regularly serviced by my father, who is a qualifiedengineering fitter. My father has been maintaining vehicles all of hisprofessional working life and has spent the last 35 years as the WorkshopManager for XXX, maintaining a fleet of HGV’s. All I’m trying to point out bythat background information is that my car hasn’t been serviced by someone whodoesn’t know what they are doing and just “tinkers” with vehicles in theirspare time! I’m sure that you can appreciate that when you have a professionalin the family, it doesn’t make sense to continue having my car serviced by anexpensive main dealer.
    I had assumed that maybethis incident, whilst unfortunate, was perhaps “one of these things”, but onresearching the internet, I understand that this is a common fault with thistype of engine. Please find attached a significant quantity of forum reportsfrom others who have experienced the same problem. Some have been fortunateenough to have the manufacturer give a “goodwill” payment; others have not.
    Whilst I understand thatthe SEAT warranty is only 3 years and I am now out of that period, I believethat this fault causes the car to be “unfit for purpose “under the definitionof the Sale of Goods Act. I understand that owning a car which is 4 years oldcarries a risk, but I believe that SEAT should be acknowledging this as adefect in their manufacturing and should be resolving the issue for me. Youwill understand that I find this financially devastating.
    The customer service I havereceived from both the SEAT Head Office and the SEAT dealership has been superb– I cannot fault either for politeness, helpfulness and responsiveness, howeverit is the decision made by SEAT Head Office to not resolve this issue for me attheir cost which I am aggrieved about. They had agreed to a “goodwill gesture” of50% if the dealership would match this. The dealership wouldn’t and to behonest I don’t blame them; I didn’t purchase the car from them in the firstplace (purchased from XXX), therefore it is not really their concern. As thedealership wouldn’t offer a goodwill payment, SEAT Head Office will also notoffer me anything. Incidentally XXX aren't interested in helping me either as Ipurchased the car 15 months ago.
    The SEAT dealership stripped down the engine and reported the following:Carriedout investigation into engine damage. unable to start vehicle to lack of oilwithin engine. Carried out gff and checked for any relevant TPI's all ok.Carried out visual check, found hole in engine to oil cooler, new enginerequired. Stripped engine and found hardly any oil left in the engine this hascaused the conrod to go through the engine.
    The above simply isn’ttrue. Having previously owned a car which drank oil, I religiously check theoil level in my car - once a fortnight. I had checked the oil on 28th Maybefore making a trip to Great Yarmouth (4.5 hr drive) and again on the 1st Junebefore leaving for Birmingham airport as part of my normal holiday routine. (1hour drive) It was parked at Birmingham airport for a fortnight, so I did notcheck it again before the engine seized - in the year I've owned the car, it'snever been heavy on oil-infact I really can't remember if I've even had to topit up. I don't believe that my car was suffering an oil loss for two reasons -the first being that we've just had (in June 2012) a new block paved drivewaybuilt and if the car was leaking oil, I would have been well aware and upsetabout it. I can also categorically confirm that no oil warning light came on(even though I don't rely on this to tell me that I need to top up the oil).

    The engine seized whilstdriving down the bypass in XXX and managed to get it into "Homebase"car park so it was safely out of the way (approx 1/4 mile). My dad told me offfor this, but the AA man said that I couldn't have done anymore damage bydriving it, as the engine was as bad as it gets anyway. Both the car and theroad were covered in oil (you can still see the trail of oil stain on the roadnow). So it's no wonder that there is NOW hardly only oil left. But that's thereason -the conrod threw causing the hole which caused the oil leak. Not thatthere was no oil which caused the conrod to throw.

    In addition to the variousinformation I’ve found regarding others having the same problem with thisengine code – BXE, I’ve also enclosed photographic evidence that there is nosign on the engine bearings of the engine seizing. If the engine had of seizeddue to lack of oil there would be scoring/damage to the bearings.

    A catastrophic enginefailure such as this is dangerous. Luckily we were driving on a relativelyquiet piece of road, albeit with my two young children (aged 1 and 2) in theback seat. If I have been driving down the motorway when this occurred, thiscould have led to a fatal accident.

    In summary, I believe thatthere is a manufacturing defect with the conrods on engine code BXE and Ibelieve that the financial cost of putting this right should be met by SEAT. Ialso believe that from a safety perspective a recall on these engines should beconsidered.

    I have just had the carrepaired at my own cost (£2,400) by purchasing an engine from a salvaged carand it's been fitted by SEAT. I've asked them to save me the conrods out of myold engine incase there is any need for me to get them independently tested.

    I’ve since parted companywith the car as I need a safe car to drive – I cannot take the risk of owning adangerous car, but I still aggrieved at the injustice.

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    no its definatly not a lack of oil in these engines that have caused them to let go. look at the top picture i posted in post no.10. that crank journal is totally unmarked!

    obviously as im not the owner of any of the cars ive swapped bxe engines on in the past.... i cant really report it to watchdog/vosa.

    if vosa want to inspect one of these failed engines....... theres still one at work if you want it? id have to ask my boss if its ok first tho.
    itd be interesting to have the other three conrods in that engine tested for manufactering defects dont you think?
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    [Mar 7, 2013]
    My BXE engine failed, yes con-rod through the block at 86000 miles. VW serviced 3.5 weeks before. Long-life Service. VW say it is nothing to with them. I have informed VOSA, Watchdog and Xray. Any suggestions?
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    [Mar 7, 2013]
    Is the BLS prone to these problems too?
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    [Mar 12, 2013]
    the "bkc" and later "bls" 1.9tdi units seem unaffected from what ive read.
    we've had a touran in with the same problem recently..... advised him to kick off at gilders........ they came and collected it. dunno what happened or whether it was covered under warrenty tho.
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    This will be down to failure of the engine oil due to the stupid Shortlife [sic] service intervals. The sooner VAG drop this stupid marketing department led idiocy the sooner their reputation will recover. Marketing people and accountants can be the death of a company as sure as they can bring success, get the balance right you twats! As for injectors and ABS pump G201 sensor failure, blame the Tier 1 supplier Siemens (and their bean counters) for that, NOT VAG, even though they own part of the company...ohh and cam failure on the PD, oil changes again. Don't blame the engineers when accountants and owners **** the car up!
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    [May 14, 2013]
    Sorry to drag up an older thread but I stumbled across this thread and it struck a chord as I have a BXE engine.

    Did anyone get any further pursuing claims against VAG for remedial work?
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    [Sep 6, 2013]
    Hi Guys, im a travelling sale agent with many years of technical motor vehicle stuff under my belt ,but just lately (the last year or so) ive come across at least 7 bxe engine code 1.9 pd vw motors that have thrown a leg out of bed(rod through the block) on various cyl numbers.
    Now the real strange thing about these motors is that to a unit they all and I mean ALL have been recently serviced sometimes days before sometimes a couple of weeks, and the miles of the motors range between 40-60,000 miles, also in all cases the correct grade oil (pd) mostly quantum has been used with very decent filter vag,knecht etx.
    None of these garages are connected in any way and use varied suppliers for their oils/filters.
    When stripped none of these engines have blocked pick up pipes and in fact some sump areas are spotlessly clean.
    The only thing that is almost consistent is the "blueing" of the crank big end bearing journal on the failed rod.
    Also at this moment in time I have the remains of a number 3cyl con rod and piston in the boot of my car which im taking to try and analyse the reason for failure in the next few days.
    But this is certainly something VAG should be investigating seeing as other engine codes of the pd variants don't seem to have a fraction of the failure rate of the bxe,s .

    I really hope they help out the owners who have suffered from this problem,and it would also give back credibility to the garages who have serviced these vehicles before failure occurred.
    Good luck guys.
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    [Oct 6, 2013]
    Hi All.
    I have just spotted you're site and am very interested in this conversation. I have a skoda superb with 119,000 kilometers on the clock. Last friday the engine, BXE, through a conrod out through the block. Like previous comments this car has been serviced on the button and never abused. The car is 09 and i live in Rep. of Ireland. Has anyone any luck taking on the industry given the obvious problems this engine has given? Has anyone any ideas where i go from here? Only immediate solution for me is a replacement engine. Any ideas on this?
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    I drive a VW 1.9 Golf estate 2009 reg (engine code BXE) or used to until last night. Driving at approx 60 miles an hour I heard a bang in the engine and the car died instantly. I was on a duel carriageway after dark with cars speeding past. My 12 year old son alongside. It was shocking and dangerous but by some fluke I managed to steer rolling car into a lay-by that happened to be ahead. Called AA who arrived to discover oil all over the floor and a large hole punched through the cylinder block behind the oil filter housing. Told I'll need new engine. Bought this car last july. FVWSH & next service not due till April 2014. As extra pre-caution I Just had a complete oil change etc with my local MOT garage as part of a half service prior to driving on holiday 2 months ago. Anyway AA Relayed car home & had a mechanic confirm damage this morning. Mileage is high 120,000 but I'm a laid back driver and a bit stunned as I thought VW Golf's were meant to have a that unimpeachable reputation. From remarks on this site it would seem there is something seriously awry here. I wonder if a group response/ complaint to VAG on this issue re the BXE engine is
    a good idea. As someone previously posted it is a major potential safety hazard nevermind the costs of replacing the engine.
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    [Oct 8, 2013]
    I've just renewed my Audi Extended Warranty for a ur their 2 years so should my 1.9 BLS go bang it'll be covered, on 78k now.

    Are the bxe and bls related in anyway?
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    [Oct 8, 2013]
    I have 09 1.9tdi pd, where can I find an engine code to check it out if it's BXE? It's one of the latest engines in the series (was replaced with 1.6tdi cr few months after car was bought).
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    [Oct 8, 2013]
    Haha, I have 56 plate BXE. Nice. Last three months were hillarious for me, just one bad news after another. I didn't even need to go to my car to check it after I have seen this thread, I could have guessed it's a BXE :-/ Currently with 45k miles. I was thinking about remapping the engine with REVO but I guess that would push conrod even more to the limit :-/
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    [Oct 10, 2013]
    Hi

    I have a VW Touran 1.9 TDi with a BXE engine, the car's from 2007 and mileage is 73K
    The car's currently in a VW dealer and prior to applying for the manufacturer's good will they have implied an "independent" investigation lasting 8hrs at a rate of £120/hr be carried out to establish it was VW conrod failure prior to agreeing any financial commitment from VW's part towards replacing or contributing to the engine's replacement's cost....
    I am in serious doubt about the whole thing seeing as they could come back and tell me anything without me being able to verify any of their claims....
    I could use a third party watchdog being involved in this prior to seeing £960 quidd going down the drain with the further option of forking out £ 4,500 for a new engine, seeing an official dealer doesn't install second hand engines....

    The dealer's original diagnose was:
    "We have inspected your vehicle and found an extreme oil leak at engine. The engine has hydrauliced and damaged cylinder 4.We recommened a replacement engine , gaskets, oil, housing and coolant hoses.
    Replacement Engine - £4517.66
    Labour - £1439.64"

    Could anyone advise what would be the official route to follow ?!
    I'd be happy to join forces with anyone trying to prove VW's fault on engine's failure !

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    I have read this thread with interest, I have a similar tale......I have a 2009 1.9tdi with 40k miles, engine code is BLS, its got fsh but only with main dealer to 2010. ive had the car 2 years and upto recently been reliable. 3 months ago the fan belt snapped and damaged the timing belt so needed both replacing. This weekend it just lost power whilst wife and kids in it, no noise no smoke no lights on dash, doing about 50 mph and left stranded on side of busy rd-AA recovered and said looked like engine seized. Took to local garage, who have confirmed the a rod is damaged, though doesn't appear to have come away, there is a hole in the top of the piston head suggesting may be from above, crankshaft may be damaged and there is a chunk of steel and shards in the sump - so likely to be cheaper to replace the engine. Having looked around the web for replacement or remanufactured engines, there seems to be a lot cowboys out there with grim reviews on many sites. I have found what looks to be a well regarded & FER accredited business called Ivor Searle in Ely who will deliver remanufactured engine for £2k & take the old one back so need a fitter as well. My options seem to be 1) seek redress with Audi but said it was down to dealer, I spoke to my 2 local dealers with one saying no way & the other want upto 6 hrs to strip the engine at £97ph and then depending on what they find may offer towards new engine but its discretionary and dependent on using them and 6k for then engine alone though get 2k back if engine ok!?! 2) Get an replacement engine fitted and get rid, though sits uneasy with me 3) Get the warrantied engine from the likes of Ivor Searle and stick with the car (and take out some kind of extended car warranty) or 4) Sell car as a non runner-Im based in Yorkshire, can anyone recommend sources for replacement engine-pretty peed at Audi, appreciate it's not been serviced in vag dealer but has been serviced & the garage all run Vw so know there stuff, the car is 54months old and 40k miles if that's not a defect I don't know what is. I will notify vosa & watchdog
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    [Mar 20, 2014]
    Hi guys,

    Just signed up to sign in and say that lo and behold the engine in my 75,000 mile Golf 1.9TDI 08 blew the conrod through the block and is now royally knackered! Am really struggling to find a second hand engine from a reputable merchant. So many rip offs out there. Any suggestions where to source one from? I'm based up Liverpool way. Charles Trent had one for a split second and it changed hands as I was on the phone.

    VW dealer had the same view as with everybody else. Tough luck basically! Absolutely livid!!!!

    Any advice appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Sam
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    [Mar 21, 2014]
    I had this back in Jan. Nice spec, 57 Golf 1.9tdi 105k on clock and for no reason out of the blue conrod blew. I'd had it for 4.5 yrs, looked after it well but made no difference. It was a BXE engine code. In the end I sold it for £1k as cost to replace engine and all the other bits that had been damaged as a result just wasn't worth it, even with a refurb engine. Needless to say I was fuming especially after a quick google of the BXE engine code. I'd bought it because it was meant to be a solid car but hey.

    Anyway, got an A3 now, hence joining this forum. 59 A3 sportback 2.0tdi Sport 170. Its great fun, just same spec inside isn't as good as the old Golf. O well, that can be sorted, just got to convince the other half now...
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    [Mar 21, 2014]
    We own a workshop and maintain a fleet of Jetta's with the BXE engine. I don't think one has come to the end of its 4 year life span with the company without throwing a conrod (usually #2). The only notable reason we see for this is the conrod's are considerably thinner than the older TDI's and a lot lighter, presumably to lower the reciprocal weight. We have adapted the older PD130 (ASZ etc) block to fit which can be had for pennies and are built twice as strong (the rods are at least twice as thick). Most of the conversion is bolt & go, the difficulty is boring the hole for the crank sensor and fitting the pick-up ring on the crank. We've done quite a few now and they've had zero issues since. We've also gone to the lengths of fitting 4 PD130 pistons & rods in the higher mileage ones before the inevitable happens! Just a thought if you're reading this thread with this known issue having caused you problems!
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    [Mar 25, 2014]
    Hi Murran, can you precise what you mean by"later bls" units?

    My BLS was built on 08/08, according to the sticker on the timing belt cover.

    Tks
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    Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum but have been using vw forums for a while now, i currently drive an 06 golf tdi with the BXE engine discussed in this thread. I've not had any issues with mine (touch wood) but have been looking at this issue for a while now on some other forums etc. this is clearly a common fault that audi/vw dont want to admit to, which when you considor the cost implications is understandable (although not right!). From some research ive found the issue to be with a new production process involved in making connecting rods for the new BXE engines. Something called 'Fracture Splitting' was used by Vag when making the rods for this engine, instead of machining each rod from two prices of metal they instead produce the rod whole and then split it so the big end can go around the crank. This has been investigated by a German company who have found the process actually changes the properties of the metal making it weaker and more prone to breaking under stress. Unfortunately this information doesnt provide an easy fix to the effected engines, i would imagine the only sure fix is to replace the connecting rods with proper machined ones, although thats a major job and would cost £1000's.

    However maybe for those who have had to replace engines it would be a good idea to get this done in their new BXE unit instead of running the risk of it happening agen? Obviously when replacing a whole engine the cost of adding new rods would be a lot less whilst the engine is out and stripped down anyway!

    I'm interested in seeing the continuing comments on this thread, maybe a small database of all BXE owners and those affected would shed some light on trends helping identify those particular engines at risk?
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    [Apr 17, 2014]
    Hi folks. I've been visiting this site for a while now and very useful it is too. I thought I should register and give my recent experiences with the dreaded BXE engine. I bought a 2008 Seat Leon 1.9 TDi with the above engine in it about two years ago with 40000 miles and full service history. (on the grounds that it must be a better car than our aging Peugeot 307 and it might last ten years if we look after it) We have since brought the mileage up to 76000 with another three services and an oil and filter change between services using VW LongLife lll oil and Mhale filters every time. It's also never been low on oil while we've owned it and it doesn't use much oil either.
    My other half rang me a few weeks ago complaining of loss of power and loud tapping noises from the engine. It was also difficult to start when warm and had refused to start for her at a railway crossing on her way home, very unusual. I went and started the engine which initially sounded normal and then the tapping started to get loud when revved which sounded like a faulty hydraulic lifter. I checked the camshaft and tappets but they looked ok, so I drained the oil and removed the sump to find that No4 big end bearing shells had collapsed and badly damaged the crank. I also removed the other big ends to find the shell surfaces to be delaminating!! No evidence of lack of oil or overheating. The other journals were undamaged, but a good proportion of the shell surfaces had lifted off and disappeared.
    I can imagine that eventually No4 conrod might have ended up coming through the block if it had been driven much further. Anyway to cut a long story short, I felt the most economical repair was to fit a second hand BKC engine (thanks to the info on this website) which fitted perfectly and is running very nicely so far (touch wood). I replaced the BKCs big end shells before fitting just for piece of mind really, they still looked ok when I removed the old ones. I can confirm that the cranks are different, the BKC being much more substantial than the BXE.
    I would probably recommend that the people out there who still own this engine should check/replace their big end shells to prevent possible serious damage.
    I'm very grateful for all the useful stuff posted on here and it definitely helped me make my mind up about how to go about the repair.

    Many thanks
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    [May 12, 2014]
    My 2007 Audi Sport 1.9 Diesel with BXE engine (105k on clock) has just blown on the M25. Greenflag say something has came out the engine and created a hole resulting in major loss of oil

    I bought the car 2 years ago from an independent dealer(now gone out of business) and it has been serviced regularly since I've had it . Prior to that it was a leased car and again full service record at Audi Reading.

    I've since heard that this engine has a weakness and this has happened to other owners

    I've spoken to Audi Bolton where I live and they say they will inspect the engine and send a full report to Audi. I'm not confident that they will pay for a new engine and I don't believe I have any legal position to pursue Audi for compensation as it is a known problem. Does anyone have any advice on what grounds I could make a claim against them?
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