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Braded brake line and brake fluid help.

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by Westy, Jan 23, 2010.

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    1animal1 The Clar!! it mouves!!! VCDS Map User

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    cheers for the push mate :)

    thing is, ive just had a stonkin monthly bonus that would almost pay for another 8L S3 :) trouble is i can find more important things to buy.... its £400 i could put on a holiday :(
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    ...a holiday is for a week or so... a FMIC is for life... (of the car) ;P

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    What you do mate is put some money aside for a holiday and some towards a FMIC. Everybody moans that its £400+ for a fmic but who says you have to get it all in one go in 1 month? Save for a few months or a year, who cares, then buy it.
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    that might be an idea ya know, stick away £50 a month....wont feel as bad then....ready for summer :)

    hate being tight wi money :)
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    Can anybody confirm if it is necessary to use VCDS to cycle the ABS pump as none of the above guides are specifically for the 8L platform? Also i've read some guides that say bleed brakes first then fill resevouir with fluid and some guides that say empty res then fill res, attach pressure bleeder full of fluid, then bleed brakes! Can anyone clarify?
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    I didn't with mine, should be ok unless you suspect you have let air in tbh... think of it this way... ABS pump only kicks in when required, all other times its essentially pass through...

    Just don't let the level go down too much in the reservoir...

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    dont empty it ffs... pressure bleed it out..
    simple gunsons jobbie off tyre pressure will work (not too much pressure else it will make a mess)
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    Cheers guys. So no need to pepet out the existing fluid in the res first, just screw on the pressure kit and fil with fluid, then run round and bleed the old ***** out the nipples? Do I need to do the clutch slave cylinder too as mentioned in some guides?
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    £50 of brake fluid?!! how much did you buy?

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    3 500ml bottles as recommended!
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    jesus thats expensive stuff *i need a WTF smile*

    the whole system is only 750ml but with a non coloured fluid its hard to tell when the new stuff comes out

    do you really feel it was worth paying more than double the cost of anythign else? if that stuff tolerates life in Bills Ibiza, dont you think thats a tad overkill for your car?
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    I'm guessing there's more chance of me getting air in the system because I need to bleed the lot out to fit my new hoses then put the new fluid through?

    I wanted fluid that wouldn't cause a problem for using the car day to day but I also want it to be able to cope with a few trips a year to the ring and any other hard driving I might do.
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    Not if you do it right... the eezi bleed thing has a line on the bottle... just don't let the fluid level drop past that....

    As already mentioned, don't use more than 20psi so let the tyre down to that before commencing and make sure you put the cap on the reservoir and test its tight enough to hold the pressure before filling the bottle with fluid and doing it properly... save piddling fluid out all over the place :)

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    I'm being a touch special at the moment! Do I need to bleed out the old stuff first, then change the hoses then fill with new stuff? How can I put the new hoses on without pissing brake fluid everywhere?
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    Replace the pipes first... to minimise initial fluid loss remove reservoir cap, undo the level sensor then screw the outer part of the cap back on using a bit of a plastic bag over the reservoir... this serves to create a bit of a vacuum preventing fluid from just draining out when you replace the pipes...

    Once the pipes have been replaced, start bleeding the calipers using the pressure bleeder one at a time until you are happy that all the fluid has been replaced...

    I typically bleed passenger side rear, drivers side rear, passenger side front, drivers side front... on the first one (pass/rear) I bleed through until I can see clean fluid and repeat for the rest... then if I have any fluid left, I just go round them again to be sure that no bubbles remain

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    Ah thanks mate.
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    westle, do you have flare nut spanners? theyre a god send when it comes to working on brake lines. i really recommend those.

    the most difficult ones would be the two flexi hoses the connect to the rear hard lines that are on the wishbones.

    good luck!
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    I hope so mate. My girlfriends grandad has a pit in his garage and he used to be a mechanic so he's got most tools.

    I cant do the work till next weekend now due to something called valentines day! I've already bought my car a card :)
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    V what day now? i was hoping to put a milltek on the s4 this weekend until i remembered what was going on..
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    Got to fit my goodridge hoses and bleed my brakes sometime over the next couple of weeks, I take it this is the little bit of hose that the kit replaces as its all I could find after spending a good 20minutes looking around the rear brakes.
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    is it a four or six hose kit?
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    Goodridge 4 hose kit, pretty sure thats where it goes on the rear but couldn't find anything whilst trawling the web at work.
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    do you know how much the 6 piece kit was excluding the labour charges?
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    It is. Mine are seized on at the back so Ill assume everyone elses will be. I would soak them in wd40 a few times before ur ready to remove.
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    :icon_thumright: thanks for the confirmation Minty!
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    What's the difference between these HEL stainless steel lines and Goodridge stainless steel lines? I was looking at buying Goodridge before as they've always been a popular one.
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    Not sure of the difference mate. Both HEL and Goodridge have good reps. I think I bought hel after a recommendation from someone else :think:
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    I've seen the Goodridges on Ebay for good prices and in different colours. What's the point of coloured ones? Can you actually see the lines through your wheels or something? Do you just buy 1 pack of Goodridge brake hoses and that's it? You lot are confusing me with 4 in a pack and 6 in a pack lol what's that about?

    Cheers folks!
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    My Hel ones have 4 in a pack 2 front and 2 back. I bought black ones because I want to keep the OEM look but i'm not sure how much of the hose you'll be able to see anyway. It's just a plastic coating over the braided hose anyway.

    Basically you just want a teflon coated braided hose.
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    braided brake lines are so pretty. was almost a shame to put the wheels back on afterwards :(
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    haha, what colour did you get Matt?
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    mine are just straight forward clear ones.

    6 line ones are two for the front calipers, 2 for the rears, two for rear the hard lines join onto the rear arms/beam
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    [Jun 22, 2010]
    for anyone wondering... the 6 hose kit from C&R Enterprises is £99.95.
    They use Goodridge hoses throughout, and I believe the rear hoses with the solid pipe attached are custom made within their premises.
    All in all a very good price i think, as a 4 hose kit from goodridge is going to be at least £50-60 and then the rear pipes are £31+vat ish each from the dealer.
    I've just ordered a set and will report back once fitted
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    That's not too bad plunky, let us know about that kit as might need to sell the Goodridge ones as the solids at the rear look like they maybe coroded and need replacing.
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    [Jun 24, 2010]
    just run new fluid through the golf, bled the master cyl, all four corners and then the clutch.

    total used 800ml, using ATE SUper blue so you know when the new stuff comes through. almost half of the fluid that had to come out came out the first corner (new fluid had to displace everything in the ABS pump i suppose)
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    Here's round 2 of the special questions.. I assume one needs to keep topping up the fluid in the resevoir whilst bleeding?
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    i used a pressure bleeder do i didnt have to touch the reservoir at all whilst bleeding
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