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Boost leak + mr muscle turbo clean

Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by new2thegame, Dec 17, 2013.

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    [Dec 17, 2013]
    Hi
    Anyone in the birmingham area able to do a boost leak check for me, can not really find a leak looking at it
    Also I want to get my turbo cleaned with mr muscle but am not the best at opening things, so want some help. Any kind person in the birmingham area
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    Do you mean clean the outside of the turbo with Mr Muscle?

    I'm hoping you don't mean anything else.....it's a precision car part,and won't take well to oven cleaner.
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    Lol
    I think I meant inside.
    There are 100s of people that are cleaning the turbo with mr muscle on this site and other sites. Well that's what they say anyway
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    Don't use Mr muscle lol
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    What do you recommend?
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    Mr muscle is fine to use on the turbo, its a decoking agent. If you do use it make sure it only goes into the exhaust side of the turbo and not onto any aluminium parts as it will eat them. easiest way to do it is feed some silicon tube down the egr pipe and into the turbo the squirt the mr muscle down the tube.
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    Ok
    Do you know anyone who can do this for me in the Birmingham area
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    To tell you the truth I'm not a confident person when it comes to cars
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    There is a kit you can buy, chemical is called Innotec and comes with full instructions and everything you need (Except spanners etc)how to do the job. I did it years ago on my Mk4 Golf and it was a gre4at sucess, kit was about £35 then. Some of the VW specialists were at opne satge offering it as preventative treatment when you put your car in for service, may be worth giving them a shout and ask if they could do it for you. Otherwise most people seem to feel Mr Muscle is just as good and a fraction of the price.
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    mr muscle is better as its a foam rather than just a liquid like the innotec stuff. the foam helps it get into all the vanes and clean them properly.
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    i want this done on mine too! anyone in london wanna have a go on mine?
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    Ash187, I'll try it on your car you try it on mine
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    [Dec 18, 2013]
    Innotec is a foam but comes with a cleaner that whashes it all out at the end.
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    these products are not the best! I had a innotec agent at my work shop and I proved to him it can do more harm than good, Carbon over time turns like stone and these products do not always get rid of all the carbon, some times there is carbon left and once you start the car, the carbon bits left hits the turbine wheel and causes damage(or within a couple of days)
    The Innotec agent could not argue with me as this has happened in the past with some of his other trade customers and he agreed its for customers who can not afford to have there turbochargers removed and clean & polished back to OEM quality.

    Do not get me wrong its about 1 in 150 but still a risk!
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    Want it doingproperly see my mate he has a smoke boost leak test machine hes in burton upon trent
    Cctuning names chris 07967 007947 say hardy gave you the number if you decide to go down, did all my tuning work in my car has rolling road and is wicked at tuning so might aswel have a dyno run whilst your there that will find your boost leak if there is one


    And mr muscle on your turbo vanes what are you smoking dont be silly man !
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    [Dec 19, 2013]
    If the op has checked for boost leaks and made sure all the pipe work is in good nick (no splits or cracks) then chances are it is going to the vanes in the turbo jamming and causing either an overboost or underboost. My tdi suffered with this something chronic.

    If you take of the egr valve and look inside there, you will often see a build up of carbon and oil, that same stuff is inside your turbo causing the vanes to stick in either the open or the closed position.
    Using the mr muscle will dissolve that build up and help free the vanes. I did mine and have had no problems since, also while I was under the bonnet I cleaned out the intake manifold as that was restricted due to the build up.

    Best thing you can do is while your doing the turbo is blank off the egr, no more horrible oil/carbon mix going into the intake and clogging it all up. I found once mine had been done the response of the engine was better and it pulled harder, also about 5 more mpg.
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    [Dec 19, 2013]
    Got my checked on vag com
    It's a overboost and the specialist told me its due to sticky vanes, he said need a new turbo which cost about a grand :(
    I would rather get it cleaned by someone around the West Midlands area.
    I'm not really sure if it really needs a new turbo
    Anyone out there will pay them ;)
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    Removing it, splitting it, cleaning it , re-building and re-fitting is massively labour intensive, not to mention the risk of breaking things in the process, which is why Dealers/Garages don't recommend it and they make more money out of justchanging them. I would be interested to know how much it would actually be if anyone has an idea?
    I appreciate you could cause bigger problems with the turbo by using cleaners but then, wasn't it getting chucked anyway. Personally and given my experience which granted isn't huge, I would take the risk. I had 4/5 years trouble free running from my Golf after the Innotec cleaning, so mine certainly wasn't a Turbo that needed chucked. The evidence on Furums of people using oven cleanewr sucessfully is pretty overwhelming as well, there's a guy of Club TDI who claims to have personally done over 80 turbos, now all running fine, that's a lot of money were they to have been replaced by dealers at £1000+ a time.
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    [Dec 19, 2013]
    I am thinking the same aswell if I do need a turbo replacement then no harm in trying mr muscle.
    Do you know the who the person is cleaning the turbos
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    [Dec 19, 2013]
    £1000 for hybrid turbo mate from turbo dynamics forget buying a standard turbo again unless its cheap
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    [Dec 19, 2013]

    plus a remap on top to take advantage of the hybrid ,getting an expensive cleaning job on the turbo !
    just remove the turbo strip it down and clean up the vanes etc .
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    I'd like to bring it to peoples attention that this may not work for anyone with a 2.0 TDI variant.

    Nearly every guide i saw for this method involved a 1.9 tdi in whatever form, or even the 2.5 V6s. In all cases the turbo is mounted lower than the manifold. In the case of the 2.0 blocks the turbo is mounted slightly higher than the exhaust manifold.

    So on the 1.9's the mr muscle would sit in the turbo and any excess would go into the exhaust which all gets burnt away. Im unsure whether it would make a difference but on the 2.0's the mr muscle could leak down the manifolds to the valves, engine block or even into the engine depending on whether any valves are open or not. Surely that can't be good given the flammable properties of mr muscle. Unless someone can tell me otherwise. The problems i experienced were eventually cured by replacing o-rings on the turbo intake pipe, nothing to do with the turbo whatsoever.
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    Sadly the guys in Anerica somewhere, you should probably check with specialists local to you and see what they say, can they do it, have thay had any bad experiences and so on. Maybe also check Club TDI to see what they are saying over there; TDIClub Forums - Powered by vBulletin
    I no sooner got my car and with no issues, people were suggesting I clean the Turbo, Eh no there's nothing wrong with it! I never checked though to see if it could be done, just always assumed it could. You may come across a guy on there called Seatman, he is not far from me in Scotland and really knows his stuff but I am guessing that won't be much good to you?
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    I've sprayed a turbo/Diesel engine cleaner agent through mine before when I was getting the over boost code. As a result it worked perfectly for a month but was then back to square one again. Replace the turbo and be done with it. It'll run a lot better.
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    [Feb 11, 2014]
    Hi new 2 the game..... Did you manage to find anyone in Birmingham to clean your turbo using Mr Muscle? I want to have it done to mine... But not too confident in doing it myself
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    Nope never found anyone
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    Damn! Looks like I'm going to have to give it a go myself

    Thanks for your response
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    [Feb 14, 2014]
    Is yours a 1.9 or 2.0Tdi?

    I've done this on a 1.9Tdi PD130 Passat, with good success, but not on a 2.0Tdi A3 - which mine is...

    Thanks,

    David
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    2.0, I've just replied in the other thread lol.

    I think if you catch it soon enough you can prolong the life of the turbo. Better yet would be to strip it down and clean it with a wire brush, but that can get quite labour intensive.
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