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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by pimpeda3, Nov 9, 2006.
Whats your views on them..........
dont like the radical stuff but some of what they say is starting to make sence
You don't hear of much radical stuff anymore, I think they've become a bit more civilised. A lot of what they does make sense. This island is a certain size, we can't build over all of it. we need to limit the population.
From what is reported in the papers and on the TV they seem to be run by bully boys.
Bunch of racists that blurt out the same crap you hear coming from the corners of some pubs come closing time.
......it only makes sense because they are jumping on the pc/immigration bandwagon... they are still a bunch of racist bastards and whatever they say that wont change.
cant believe people are starting to believe their rubbish
I agree with some of their policies but generally they are just a bunch of rascists who are using a political party to divide communities. We might as well just face the fact that even if we stopped all immigrants coming in to our country tomorrow we've still got to learn to get on with the ones that are already here. And vice versa.
I think a lot of these communities are very guarded and don't help themselves to integrate into our country. I respect other peoples religious beliefs and traditions but by the same token they should also respect the fact that this is our country that they have chosen to live in and therefore they should respect our beliefs as well.
Jumping on the bandwagon...????
I think you'll find they're the ones that started the wagon moving!!
The BNP have changed quite radically in the last 10 Years (as have all the other parties, apart from perhaps the Liberals)
Before you can label an organisation, or indeed a person Racist, you need to define 'racist'..................... From those that were capable of offering one (not just a cut and paste from google), I've yet to hear the same definition twice!
I have been convinced for probably the last 5 Years that BNP Policies now represent the 'only' hope for our children, our childrens children and beyond, of 'restoring' the multi-culti, politically correct, crime ridden, uneducated, chav infested cess-pit this Country has become.
As with any Political party, I don't agree with 'every' aspect of 'every' policy. But on the whole I think this Country would become a damn site better than it is today.
10 years ago the BNP were a very dodgy political party. However ....... now they seem to have the only policies which would sort this country out.
Trying not to sound like a parrot... I totally agree with EVERYTHING JPO has said.
Just had a look on that link, some of their policies are good and quite workable ie immigration but then some such as the income tax abolition just seem very vague.
To me it seems like they just concentrate on law and immigration, don't think i'd vote for them on that basis alone.
I just don't know why the other parties don't take BNP's line on immigration, read the link, surely it makes sense????
Did anyone watch Ross Kemp on Gangs the other night?
It was based in Russia where some white Russians have adopted Nazi style gangs. They have a policy of beating and in some case killing immigrants and non white Russians because they fear them and want Russian whites only working in Russia. Now that was scary.
Im not saying the BNP are like this but you can understand their policies.
Unless the current Government does something about all this in about 20 years whos saying it will not be like that in the UK?
The future does not look good.
But these are the people who have allways voted BNP!?
Surely the BNP will be shooting themselves in the foot if they get rid of these people??
I don't think there's any danger of them coming in to power but you have to agree that if it wasn't for them the other parties probably wouldn't have woken up to the fact so that us the British people quite rightly feel so strongly about the influx of immigrants into our country. Not that they seem to be doing anything about it and that's why people are starting to look towards parties such as the BNP.
You'd be very supprised at the demographics of recent polls regarding who would vote for the BNP. At the moment, by a very large margin, the main one is white professionals (ie middle class) aged between 30 and 55.
Most "chavs" wouldn't know a poll booth if one jumped up and hit them in the face.
Unfortunately over the last 15 years society has become more and more politically correct - lack of discipline in schools, victims of crime being treated worse than the criminals etc etc. Add this to the our policy on immigration/welfare along with the few radical muslims spouting their rubbish and getting masses of tabloid exposure to boot and we are creating a situation where normal decent rational people are starting to have more right wing views.
4 years ago I was made redundant and tried to sign on, needless to say I was not entitled to any money for at least 8 weeks due to unused holiday money I had been paid. The guy who worked at the dole office agreed that it was crazy that a born & bred British citizen who has worked and paid taxes non stop for over 15 years could not get state help but a foreign person can get straight of a plane and be entitled to benefits immediately.
IMO I think they're twits
there is nothing "normal, decent or rational" about the BNP or their supporters
When working out your benefit they take several things into consideration, one how much NI contributions you have made and also the amount of savings you have. This determines the type of jobseekers allowance you get either contributions based or income based.
who told you this?
well said mate! shame on you..
Don't agree with this really - it doesn't need a nationalist party like the BNP to point out some of the detrimental effect that immigration has caused in some areas.
I would suggest that anyone considering voting for the BNP look VERY closely at their small print - personally I wouldn't vote for them in a million years as they are, imo, a modern manifestation of the National Socialists of the 1930's and we all know what happened there.
I'm not really sure what your point is here. Racism will mean different things to different people. But from what I've seen of what Nick Griffin has said, I would say he holds some objectionable, racist views. As leader of the BNP, for me that make the BNP racist by association.
It may be more accurate to describe the BNP as fascist rather than racist, as racism isn't really a political issue, it's cultural. Fascism is definitely politics and from what I've seen of the BNP's policies (and I'm afraid I can't visit the BNP's website at the moment as it's blocked by my work's internet filter - I think that says a lot) a lot of what they're trying to achieve and they way they want to go about it is fascist.
And I can't help but wonder JPO, if you go for a curry after a night down the pub. How many members of the BNP do you think do that? How many of the BNP's voters do you think enjoy listening to mainstream hip-hop or garage? Do you think any of these things would be possible if it wasn't for immigration? Do you not think that the whole "immigration thing" has been seen and done before with the Asians and Africans that came to the UK in the 60s and 70s? Were they not branded as criminals, rapists and job stealers then? And has the world stopped turning in the wake of their arrival?
I don't buy the whole "the country's full" line either. If it was, why don't we impose a China-style one-child policy? Because that would be unfair on our people. But it's okay to stop people from other countries coming to live here, just because they're from another country? That's racism.
Firstly did I mention anything about BNP supporters, I said that the PC do gooders are creating a society where its wrong to be proud of your country, wrong to protect your property or even yourself.
Secondly I know how benefits are worked out, what I was saying is the policy is wrong in my opinion.
And finally what sort of question is "who told you this ?"
Were you with me when I was in the benefits office ?
Are you also suggesting that every person who has arrived in this country from overseas in the last five years has not claimed any benefits.
Ok points noted batwad.... but my gripe isn't with immigrants that come here to work, and abide the law, which a majority does. Mine is with the ever increasing percentage of illegal immigrants and benefits claimers.
An example of why I have this view .... Who shot Sharon Beshenivsky ? an illegal immigrant, on benefit claming asylum, but more than happy to commit a serious crime in there chosen new country ?
No the other side of the coin. In my company are work closely with a team of 10 people. One is an Indian immigrant, another Chinese and another polish. Now they are all 1st generation immigrants who have bought skills with them and pay taxes and abide by the law. I have NO problems what's so ever with that.
yes you did, here...
Obviously there have been people who have arrived in the country and claimed, but not as much as the homegrown "work shy" If you know how the benefits are worked out you wouldnt have said..
You would have also known that most foreign people cant get benefits as soon as they get off the plane and that they need to first pass their HRT (Habitual Residency Test) before any benefits are passed to them.
Please do some research before you post online.
Silver75... you'd better get your facts right before responding to Steve-L. Your second quote was from what I typed.
yep I realise my mistake.. thats what happens when your trying to work and post at the same time..
Regarding the BNP never trust a man that cannot look you straight in the eye
silver75 I do not know why you insist on the sarcastic comments, I have not insulted you so please do me the same courtesy.
Obviously I did not mean they jump of a plane and go straight to the benefits office and collect money and I agree that there are many more workshy british citizens/lazy sods who get benefits.
My point is I am not workshy, I have worked and paid taxes in this country all my adult life and the first and only time I asked the state for help they said no !
Yet other people both british and non british can get money out of this country without ever having put in.
And the 'basis' of your detailed assessment......??
Problem with this country, is that the goverment need to stop bending over backwards to accomodate muslims and their faith, we don't see the same commotion being made over hindus, or sikhs etc. why muslims? and why does it take so long to kick someone like bakri out? we need stricter laws, but not quite to the extent of the BNP. immigration has never really been a problem until the last 10 years. thats wen all the benefit louts have come in, mainly all muslims. before that, like in the 70's, when a lot of immigrants came here, including a lot of indians and also pakistanis, they all worked for a living. its only really in the last 10 years its gone out of control, thanks to labour being so soft.
It's not just the muslims, we're talking about immigration as a whole, well, i am.
We can't just blame certain ethnic groups, it's not fair, or that simple.
Some of what the BNP stands for makes sense some of it doesnt.
I do have some respect for the fact that they will stand up and comment on uncomfortable subjects rather than brush them aside and pretend they dont exist.
I cant see what is wrong with Britain for Britains myself.
The distinction between race and religion has become blurred. If I was to state I wanted to see all the muslims in the country leave ( which I am not stating ) A high percentage of people would start using the racism card. When infact Muslims or whatever denomination you care to think of come from all ethnic backgrounds.
At present it certainly seems that minority groups seem to have the balance of the power of the law in their favour and this needs sorting pronto.
ok I'll go into more detail....
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I'm not convinced that laws need do to be tightened. I think that ensuring existing laws are enforced and removing bureaucratic red-tape would improve things.
No, I don't think it is. In fact, it's anything but fair. What gives a doctor more right to live than a binman? Policies like that are inherently racist because they're saying that only the cream of immigrants are considered worthy enough to be let in. The rest of 'em? Pah, they're worthless foreigners, what do we want with them?
Don't underestimate the power of cheap labour either. These "worthless" unskilled immigrants are the ones doing the jobs that no native Englishman wants to do anymore, like clean toilets for £3 an hour. Welcome to capitalism baby, yeah!
Steve-L you didnt get your benefit because you had too much money in your account, it may seem unfair but thats how the system works. No one has implied directly or indirectly that you are work shy and I agree that it is wrong that lazy sods can sign on just to get their housing benefits for years on end, believe me I deal with these people everyday.
It annoys me when I read stuff about people coming over here to claim benefit, because it is not the whole truth and people who dont know the truth believe that garbage...I'm struggling to see where I insulted you but if I did I can only appologise!!!
Then it has absolutely nothing to do with race .
It is an elitist and not a racist policy.
As you metion doctors
I think it is a disgrace that a doctor or any other medical worker is allowed to practise in this country when you cant actually understand what is being said to you and vice versa.
Not at all, if england had enough good doctors who could do the job then they wouldn't have to bring in people from other countries, such as india. end of the day its not like they can't speak english at all is it? it might be just a little harder to understand, but its worth it if he's a better doctor.