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Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by smudge_don, Jun 9, 2009.

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    [Jul 1, 2009]
    Well said Nigel
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    Can't argue at the reasoning if it were a good deal. I'd have done the same.


    But people need to get over this whole thing about the more pots you have being better.
    It's not always the case.

    Ideally, you need the smallest set of discs and callipers you can get away with to give you the performance you need...that way you get the performance plus save on unsprung weight.

    Cayenne 6 pots for example with 350mm discs are complete overkill on a small hatchback, and likely to perform less well than a decent 4 pot set up from a genuine braking specialist (like AP or Brembo) as well as weighing a lot more and helping to bugger up the meagre handling there once was.


    Also consider who is making the callipers and what form of dirt shielding is included.
    Buying pukka competition callipers and running them on a road ca ris a hiding to nothing as they are generally not well enough protected to survive the salt and **** of a UK winter...the road based kit will be though.
    But who wants a 'road' kit when a 'race' kit sound soooo much cooler?


    If it were me, I'd want a solution from a major braking specialist, with road suitable callipers that are matched to the master cylinder...


    Unless you can pick up a kit for peanuts...then all bets are off. Probably.
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    I'd be looking at what's used on high performance road cars that have fantastic brakes, and much of the trackday stuff...and making my mind up from there.
    That leaves two obvious choices for performance over bling: AP or Brembo.
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    [Jul 1, 2009]
    Well said was your porsche at GTI on sunday? 911 .... how did u get on the strip?
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    Yeah...I was there both days.

    I finished about 50:50.
    Took a few scalps (RS2, 997 C2, BT A3, R32 etc) but also received a beating from a few of the Club GTI lads (BT Mk4, Mk1 GTI and A3 quattro).

    Doing constant 4.8-5.0 secs 0-60s and early to mid 13s for the 1/4.
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    I'd used Alcon brakes on a 440bhp Sierra,with 4 pot calipers,and that was a pretty decent setup for what was a very fast car(in a straight line :)),and then a set of AP Racing 350mm discs with their 4 pot calipers,and standard rear discs and Pagid pads to stop a rather faster Escort.

    The advice for both setups was from a chap who built and raced cars,amongst which were RS200s and touring cars,so I took his word for it and wasn't disappointed!
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    You've got all those cars?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :blink:
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    [Jul 2, 2009]
    Sadly not...

    One car...beat these lot:
    RS2, 997 C2, BT A3, R32

    Beaten by these:
    BT Mk4, Mk1 GTI and A3 quattro

    Although there were 3 drivers entered in my car on the Sunday.
    Only me on the Saturday.
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    Ah right! Fair play Ess Three, so what cars do you own? All the ones in your sig?
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    Currently, yes.
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    Nice one? Why a mk3 though? Aren't they meant to be poorer of the Golf generations? :undwech:
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    You're kidding right, I had 3 mk3's which consisted of 1 gti & 2 vr6's, fun is the lighter word for them, also had a Jetta vr6 which is same platform, certainly build up your arm muscles with the power of the front wheels in those days.
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    Okay, just the naffest looking then :undwech:
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    In those days no way, they were cool back then & **** load of power
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    [Jul 2, 2009]
    True.
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    Some would say so.
    Not much heavier than a late Mk2, stiffer shell, wider track etc...so once fettled you end up with a car that can out accellerate TTs/S3s, out corner them and out brake them. All in a car badged as an 8v...a car known to be slow, heavy and ill handling.
    Great fun...

    Looks are personal...I prefer the Mk3 looks to any other GTI.
    Plus it was the last of the proper engines (Mk3s) that didn't involve a laptop to do anything or sound like a Dyson.

    The fact that it's one of only 150 16Vs helps too...and one of perhaps 4 in the same spec as mine (5 door, silver, no sunroof, air-con).
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    Quite rare then, you got a 911 GT3 man, i ain't gonna start arguing with you
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    Mine isn't a GT3...I'd be dead if I'd bought one of those.

    It's a Carrera 4S, with the optional Aerokit and 'GT3 style' wheels.
    Wide body (to help accomodate the wider driver :whistle2:), 4wd and stability management to try to keep me out of hedgerows and fields.
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    [Jul 2, 2009]
    Well looks really nice either way. Good work!
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    Why thank you!
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    Does anyone know if anyone on the site has used Alcon braking set up. Seem them on track cars, but seem quite hard to source any info on prices on the net. Brembo 4 pots I had on my last car were good, but did start to fade quite badly after about 10 laps. Might have been fluid as it was 2 yrs old.
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    Alcon stuff is top notch...but fading is often down to pad choice.
    Most kits (road kits...like the Brembo kit) come with road pads.
    Throw them away and fit some pukka competition pads for track work - Ferodo DS3000s for example - and they'll last all day.

    Fresh fluid helps too...as does uprated fluid, not the basic road based stuff the makers fit.
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    Mov'it are also very good from what I hear?
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    Yeah and bloody expensive.
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    Thought so, the ceramic R32 brakes I saw were £5k I believe :uhm:

    Can't wait to get my Brembos on!
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    ...and re-badged Brembos aren't they?
    Same with Porsche callipers. Made by Brembo.
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    I knew that porsche were made my brembo, as are audi RS brakes and mercedes AMGs, ess three? I've bought some SLK55 AMG 6 pots, they are brembos.
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    I have heard that Movit calipers are actually Brembo`s but don`t know if it`s true or not. Cannot believe a small outfit like Movit would design and make thier own calipers.

    Brembo`s are good but very heavy and wide compared to other manufactures.
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    For the power and weight of most of the A3's on here 4 pots and 320mm discs is plenty enough. A friend of mine runs a 520bhp rwd escort cos with 380mm Ap's and personally I think 380mm is overkill for that.
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    yea some of these 12 pots are great brakes, but they are mainly ained at the cars that weigh a lot, a 4/6 pot on 330mm discs would be fine, as said earlier, the more pots you have the longer travel. id recommend AP racing 4/6 pot with 330mm discs and fit a new master cylinder from AP and obviously get braided lines
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    True, but I'm not looking to save weight on mine, so they are good enough for me :yes:
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    Revo had some brakes in development but they seem to have gone quiet on that front since they have been moving offices. Don't think they will be cheap.

    I read on Fourtitude news that Audi are doing a deal with Brembo and SGL group to make ceramic brakes more accessible to lower end models within 5-10 years. Fourtitude is down so can't find the link.
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    [Jul 3, 2009]
    I ran these on a RWD Sierra a few yrs back.

    Pretty good overall,but not in the same league as the APs I had on the Escort that followed the Sierra.

    Being fair though,not in the same cost league either!
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    has anyone tried wilwood kits. i have seen them around but never heard anyones opinions on them! they don't look as high performance as AP
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    Not in the same league as AP or Brembo.
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    Not adding much to the mix, but these are the Alcon's I saw on a Seatcupra championship car back in 2004/5 season (support race for BTCC). Look like a nice set of Ohlins dampers in the background (drools....)

    [​IMG]

    and these are a sneaky peak of the Revo product running on their TT back at Audi driver in 2008 Castle Combe (squint hard and you'll see them):

    [​IMG]

    Anyone know why this forum is slower than Lewis Hamilton lately, it's an absolute $h1tt£r to use.
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    Ohlins dampers...lush!
    Kerching!

    2nd pic doesn't work Warren...can you fix it?
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    aorry, sometimes there seems to be issues with photos loaded in my .Mac account

    Loaded it into Google Picasa

    [​IMG]
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    Warren what was that TT running? On that day it was eating most things on track, handling on it was a joke, it was just running rings round everything.
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