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Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by smudge_don, Jun 9, 2009.

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    ECS Stage 4 Big Brake Kit - Black Porsche Cayenne 6 Piston Caliper-Slotted Rotors
    Audi B6 S4 V8


    352x32mm (13.9") 2 piece rotor - Kit: includes lines, pads, calipers, ATE fluid, 2 piece rotors
    Another ECS Tuning Exclusive. ECS Stage 4 Big Brake kit for the S4 and B6 A4 features the Porsche six piston Cayenne calipers custom 352x32mm directional vane rotor rings lightweight 7075 aluminum rotor hats and a new bracket-less caliper mounting system. A new simpler mounting system means you can go from stock to high performance stop in a Saturday afternoon. Complete Kit Includes:
    • 6 Piston Monobloc Porsche Calipers
    • OEM Porsche Pad Hardware
    • Hawk Brake Pads - High Performance Street Compound
    • ECS DOT Approved Stainless-Steel brake lines
    • ECS Custom Caliper mounting hardware
    • ECS Lightweight 352x30mm 2 piece directional rotor
    Been looking at the above, and been speaking to N8KOW who seems to recall some people thinking that they bolt straight onto an 8P A3.

    Can anyone shed some light? Or will custom carriers need to be made up?:think:
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    Best speak to AwesomeGTI as they sale the kits and should know best how and what fits each model etc.
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    groovy, i shall get in contact with them

    anyone else heard anything on these?
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    hi smudge have a look at the site they look ok its porshe break kit

    Awesome Product Code: ESCSTAGE5BRAKIT

    ECS Stage 5 Big Brake kit for the VW MK5 chassis & the Audi A3 features the Porsche six piston Cayenne calipers custom 352x32mm directional vane rotor rings lightweight 7075 aluminum rotor hats and a new bracket-less caliper mounting system. A new simpler mounting system means you can go from stock to high performance stop in a Saturday afternoon.

    Complete Kit Includes:
    - 6 Piston Monobloc Porsche Calipers (5 colours available)
    - OEM Porsche Pad Hardware
    - Hawk Brake Pads - High Performance Street Compound
    - ECS DOT Approved Stainless-Steel brake lines
    - ECS Custom Caliper mounting hardware
    - ECS Lightweight 352x30mm 2 piece directional rotor

    Note: A minimum of a 12mm spacer must be used to clear the stock "Huff" wheels on the Mk5


    £1670 quid though maybe try the bay first

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    Yeah the guy off ECS has just recommended me that, but i know someone who may be selling the S4 kit

    Not a lot different apart from the rotor hats and carriers :)
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    YOU GETTING A GOOD PRICE ??? Id like a big break kit to but other cosmetics to do first ..... oh and get a job
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    You need to be VERY careful buying brakes from auction sites.

    If you buy from a recognised,good dealer,then fine,but it's worth remembering that you're expecting these things to stop you,and there are a lot of fakes out there.

    For similar prices to the kits below,you could also take a look at AP Racing's brake kits.
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    Yes similar price and manufactured in the UK with plenty of technical back up, my preferred route at the moment.
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    I found this site http://www.bigbrakes4u.co.uk/ a good place just to get a good idea of what the prices where for all sorts of different kits. D2 and K Sport are very cheap Asian stuff up to the AP and Tarrox 12 pot kits. If your looking at spending £1600+ i would seriously look at the Hi Spec stuff over the ECS stuff as the pads size on the mega calipers are a lot larger and the caliper width and weight is a lot less so a smaller spacer if any is needed. I can get away with no spacer at all on my set up.
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    Nigel loves the Tarox 10 pots, but I've been out in them in my mates 420BHP TT and personally I think they are tosh Mart, Brembo/AP/Mov'It can't you wrong
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    I know a few VW cup cars that had the Tarox 12 pot 330mm set up fitted when i was look about and asking people about brakes and they reported that they where OK but nothing brilliant. Tarox seem to have stopped production on several of their big brake kits maybe they just didn`t sale as they where asking top money for them.
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    AP are good brakes, especially for track days.
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    I'd be interested to know the weight difference between the main players, Hi-spec V AP for example, also pad prices and availability would be a key factor, if I go down this route I would probably have 2 sets of pads, 1 for track use and 1 for road.

    I'm pretty keen and thinking of selling my Team Dynamics pro 1.2 wheels & tyres to fund it.

    AP did mention when I spoke to them that they are working on an upgrade utilising existing R32/S3 calipers etc but with new discs, an improvement but no substitute for a 6 pot kit was their opinion circa £600 versus £1600 for a full set up, will get some more details posted when I find time to go over and see them.
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    I have to agree...all this about 10 and 12 pot brakes is mostly for talk or show.

    What you do need is a decent size,properly vented set of discs,with good calipers and the right pads.

    My 370bhp ex race Escort,with ALS etc etc managed to make do with a set of AP Racing front discs with paltry 4 pot calipers,and standard rear discs and Pagid pads all round.

    No fade,no warping(which a number of non-competition brake users complain of) and no problems after repeated heavy use.

    They don't look fancy,and you don't have 10 pots to impress folk with,but they DO work....every time.
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    Its all good having 12 pots but when each piston is the size of a penny then whats the point :shrug:
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    hatmeow Turbo is the only way....

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    I have the 6 pot setup without the large floating discs. You will definately need carriers if you go for the floating discs. I have oped for ML 55 one piece discs so the carriers are not needed.

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    I agree.....to be honest,a setup which is capable of hauling a 1300kg race car with a genuine 4s 0-60 on any surface down to a dead stop without fade or other problems doesn't need anything more to speak for it.

    I was very impressed with this system and it's ability to inspire trust.
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    i found these stop my car with ease...... proper stuff

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    hatmeow love your brakes how much and where from .....??
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    LMFAO :lmfao:
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    turns out the only difference between the 2 kits is the rotor hats

    which they will not sell separately :no:
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    TBH unless you are planning taking the car on track the standard set up should suffice unless you are a total nut on the Queens highways :)

    Having said that I do love nice big brakes, that and thigh boots and whips...
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    Things i do to help fellow site members ....

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    Well to be honest Mart, I think the standard set up on my car without a map is absolute TOSH :scared2: I was going to get a simple Brembo 4 Pot kit for my car, but they don't do any, so bought my AMG Calipers for pennys and I will build a kit for mine over the next few months

    Exactly my car doesn't NEED 6 Pots, I'm just a brake whore, as I am a wheel whore :)
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    Tosh my arse, try driving on them everyday for 7 years in an S3 then I'll be waiting at the restaurant for you:

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    lol, nice one Jon

    Disgusting on a public forum, showing bondage images, personally I hear women like a thing called a Rabbit, personally I just dont see it:

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    Brilliant and strangely arousing :)
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    Well I thought they were crap after 20 mins of driving so I don't think I would be investing in them after that :moa:
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    You silly sod, you've been pressing the cluch pedal, here for future reference its the middle pedal you need to push mate

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    Got them at my local tuner out here in Hong Kong. Works out to be about $1600 euros. Looks like ECS has a better deal which includes 2 pcs floating discs for a similar price!
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    i think the standard brakes are pish

    especially if ive just had a drive in my corsa with the VXR brakes

    *facepalm*
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    Thier point is that, overall, they better matched to the size of the master cylider whilst spreading the pressure over the surface of the pad contact area, and they keep the unsprung weight down. Biggest problem with something like the cayenne 6-pots is that they weigh a ton, and they use so much fluid to make them work that you lose the pedal feel and there's a longer pedal travel to get them to engage.
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    Thats fair enough Chris, but from my own personal experince of the cayennes and tarox 10 pots, i'll go with the ECS all day long.
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    In all fairness, I've never tried any of the Tarox calipers so I could be speaking out of my arse. I just had half an hour of enthusiastic explanation from one of the guys at Awesome and how good he thought they were on his Mk5. Can't remember his name, but he did admit to being a Tarox salesman previously....

    I an ECS/Porsche kit on the old S3. Worked great, but with a loss in pedal feel.
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    They would say that, I went out in there 380bhp demonstrator with 12 pot tarox and I wasn't impressed.
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    I used mine for several years with 10 pot tarox & they worked bloody well, actually they saved my bacon on many occassions & no loss of any feeling except on my hands when gripping the steering wheel tight lmfao
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    10 pots are pure bling/bragging rights/scene points.

    There is no car that needs 10 pots over a properly designed set of 4 or 6 pots...especially a front engined FWD hatchback!

    But, people should waste their money as they see fit.
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    No bragging being done here thanks, not my thing, purely an observation & note to advise what they were as part of a discussion.

    Whether the S3 needed it or not, it certainly improved my braking capabilities on the car, if the 4-6 pots were available at the same price at that point in time then would have had that kit, all came down to timing, cost & just pure luck someone needed the money at the time, so I got bloody good brake kit for small cost & vastly improved braking, all that matters is it made me feel safer & happier in knowing my car would stop on a dime when I needed to & it certainly did that many a time mainly due to idiotic other drivers & maybe few times I misjudged a junction lol.

    I paid £700 for a 2k kit, now thats something not to be turned away at considering other 4-6 pot kits were alot more at the time so as far as I'm concerned wasnt a waste at all.
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    Absolutely right.

    I've made the same point on this thread already,but a decent set of race oriented 4 pots from a company such as AP Racing will outperform any number of 10 pots from some of the companies mentioned.

    Again just personal experience,and that of the race engineer who fitted them,but I would trust these far more than T-O for instance.
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    I see what you're saying, but for me at the time it was a cheaper option which resulted in a fairly much improved braking setup, other comparitive kits as mentioned already were about the 1.5-2k mark, at the time I wasnt in the market for better brakes even if I knew the oem ones just didnt cut it, but someone offered me a very good deal which I couldnt pass up on, made sense all round, have to say in the years they were on & still are most likely they were brilliant in comparison to the oem ones, in all the time I had them didnt need new discs, no issues, I had the discs shaved once to lose the ridge given the high pitched screech got sometimes & that cured instantly, but apart from that, well impressed.

    But I can see that 4 or 10 pot would have no real differences if they were designed right & the other components further up the line were equally as good & well designed matched to the better brakes on the car, I mean its only a small car so maybe was an overkill but as I said was good deal & proved the right decision.
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